Talk:Triodetic dome

Notability

@Espresso Addict: I'm curious how exactly you arrived at the conclusion that this subject is notable. I've searched this myself, and found nothing that could prove notability - all sources I can find are just rehosting this article, plus some images labelled as triodetic domes on websites like Facebook, which don't necessarily prove that it's notable. I'm particularly worried about citogenesis here, since the only provably non-Wikipedia-related sources I've found have been a couple of passing mentions and promotional material of a company named Triodetic that sometimes makes domes. If you could elaborate that'd be great, because otherwise I'm tempted to start an AfD. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 16:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Still going through the incredible heap of prods this half week (nearly 500!!). Will try to look into this when I've finished. A plain Google search had >8000 hits, and the first several looked reasonable. Espresso Addict (talk) 17:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, take your time :] I'll wait for your response before starting any AfDs. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 17:02, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Possible sources: From Ebsco:

• Schueller, W. (1983). Horizontal-span building structures, Wiley, New York -- referenced in Bradshaw et al. Special Structures: Past, Present, and Future. doi:10.1061/(ASCE)0733-9445(2002)128:6(691)
• ONTARIO PLACE. Canadian Architect. May 2017, Vol. 62 Issue 5, p68
• Motro R. (ed.) Colloque Recherches en Structures: Bilan et Perspectives. Université Montpellier II, 1976. -- referenced in Tarczewski and Motro. The Beauty of Technical Thought in Architecture – the Lifework of Stéphane Du Chateau. International Journal of Space Structures Vol. 30 No. 3 p. 203
• Ordaz, J. and Graciar, S. (2002). Improved connection for triodetic structure or structural connection for triodetic structure. -- referenced in Wang et al. Experimental Study on the Mechanical Property of Visual Bolt-Ball Joint System. Advances in Structural Engineering Vol. 16 No. 10 p 1749 (2013)
• Glaser, Peter. Northern Roadsides. Society for Commercial Archeology Journal , Spring2013, Vol. 31 Issue 1, p34-37
• People on the Move. Ottawa Business Journal, 12078166, Mar 13, 2006, Vol. 11 , Issue 23 -- has some indept info on company

Proquest has 186 hits, this is just from the first page (of six):

• Cook, Maria. The aBuckminster Fuller of Kanata. The Ottawa Citizen 13 July 2003: C.3. Good general source
• Company profile: Triodetic--innovation by design! The Canadian Architect; Toronto Vol. 44, Iss. 10, (Oct 1999): 10. Another good general source
• Goff, Kristin. Ottawa's Triodetic wins export award for frames that fit any shape, any size. The Ottawa Citizen; Ottawa, Ont.. 09 Mar 2006: D3. Another general source 
• Harrison, Glen. Rainbow Stage. Canadian Encyclopedia, English ed.; Toronto : Historica Canada. (2019)
• Koehl, Stefan. Colossus project in Langley launches steel flying saucer Journal of Commerce; Vancouver Vol. 89, Iss. 15, (Feb 23, 2000): 1
• 'Patriotic' dust domes stand on guard at Highland Valley. Kamloops Daily News; Kamloops, B.C.. 29 May 2010: A.1.
• Tran, HuyT. Optimum design of Geodesic dome’s jointing system. IOP Conference Series. Earth and Environmental Science; Vol. 143, Iss. 1, (Apr 2018). DOI:10.1088/1755-1315/143/1/012042
• Mountaintop aviary, conservatory opens. Vancouver Courier; Vancouver, B.C.. 05 Dec 2014: A.11.
• Little Mountain, big appeal. Hadani Ditmars.  The Globe and Mail; Toronto, Ont.. 26 May 2011: L.4.
• Vancouver blooms ; Tropicial plants and birds flourish at Bloedel Floral Conservatory: [Ontario Edition]. Mitchell, John.  Toronto Star; Toronto, Ont.. 04 May 2002: K18.

From JSTOR:

• G. Holdsworth. Installation of a Dome Shelter on Mount Logan Yukon Territory. Arctic, Vol. 32, No. 1 (Mar., 1979), pp. 33-41
• Charly Ligety. A Fresh Look at Emergency and Rapid Shelter Solutions: Key Takeaways from The Rapid Shelter Innovation Showcase. Cityscape, Vol. 23, No. 2, Double Issue: The Rental Assistance Demonstration: The Hispanic Housing Experience in the United States (2021), pp. 459-472
• Cedric Price, Joan Littlewood. The Fun Palace. The Drama Review: TDR, Vol. 12, No. 3, Architecture/Environment (Spring, 1968), pp. 127-134
• New Products and Techniques. Official Architecture and Planning, Vol. 27, No. 2 (February 1964), p. 209, 211, 213
• New Products at the Building Exhibition. Official Architecture and Planning, Vol. 26, No. 11 (November 1963), p. 1157, 1159, 1161, 1163
• D. Van Dam. Evaluation of Facility Operation. Journal (Water Pollution Control Federation), Vol. 45, No. 6, Annual Literature Review (Jun., 1973), pp. 1100-1103
• For the Record. Official Architecture and Planning, Vol. 28, No. 5 (May 1965), p. 689, 691

I think there's enough there to construct an article. Espresso Addict (talk) 18:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

From ICE:

• G. S. Ramaswamy , Mick Eekhout , and G. R. Suresh. Introduction to space frames. In: Analysis, design and construction of steel space frames (Thomas Telford; 2002) doi:10.1680/adacossf.30145.0001 -- good technical coverage in this, with references:

• FENTIMAN, H. G. Development in Canada in the fabrication and construction of three-dimensional structures using the triodetic system.Proceedings of the First Conference onSpace Structures, University of Surrey, Guildford, 1966, pp. 1073–1082.
• ELLIOT, A. W. Triodetic domes. In: Z. S. Makowski (ed.)Analysis, Design and Constructionof Braced Domes, Granada, London, 1984, ch. 25.

• M.Y.H. Bangash , and T. Bangash. 7 Tension Structures. In: Elements of Spatial Structures – Analysis and Design. January 2003, 389-484

Espresso Addict (talk) 19:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the thorough response! I'm not great at finding offline sources like these, so that explains why I couldn't find anything. Looks notable then. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 05:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

@Suntooooth: I think notable enough, yes. I'll try and tidy it up a little. All of these were from the WP:Wikipedia Library, by the way (or were references in sources I found there). You should have access to that? Espresso Addict (talk) 15:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)