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Reviewer: Cavie78 (talk · contribs) 10:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply


Lead

  • "The Triple Crown (sometimes called snooker's majors) in snooker is winning the three most prestigious tournaments" -> Think it would be better to say "The Triple Crown (sometimes called snooker's majors) in snooker is the name given to the three most prestigious tournaments" As you say later, Players who win all three tournaments are said to have "won the Triple Crown". It's my understanding that the name is used to describe the events, not just winning them.
  • "The individual events are deemed to be the most reputable" -> Suggest rewording to "The individual events are deemed to be the most prestigious in the snooker calendar"
  • Link ranking points to Snooker world rankings?
  • "The Triple Crown dates back to the 1969 World Snooker Championship, when the event changed reverted to a knockout format from the prior "challenge" basis." I think you need to make it clear this is retrospective and say something in the lead about 1977 being the first year the three Triple Crown tournaments were played (see also commment below regarding History)
  • "with both Stephen Hendry and Ronnie O'Sullivan winning each event five times or more" -> "with only Stephen Hendry and Ronnie O'Sullivan having won each event five times or more"?
  • "Three players have won all three in the space of a season, with Mark Williams, Steve Davis each and Hendry having done so on two occasions" -> "Three players have won all three in the space of a season, a feat Mark Williams and Steve Davis have achieved once, with Hendry being the only player to do so on two occasions"
  • "the name was officialised as part of a "Triple Crown series"" This is a bit confusing. Do you mean "the "Triple Crown series" name was officially recognised"? And who was it reognised by? The WPBSA? You don't mention this in the body, you only make reference to the waistcoat badges.

History

  • There appears to be nothing about the first use of the term? Was this in 1977 with the first Masters? When was it retrospectively conferred?
    • It was retrospectively done yes, but from 1984. Just searching for a source. BennyOnTheLoose - have you got anything in Snooker Scene about this? I thought it would be an easy fix, but there's no overview page for Triple Crown; so it'll have to be contemporary sources. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
      • Lee Vilenski I checked NewsBank and the earliest use of the term I found there was a quote by John Higgins: "Higgins is trying to become only the third player, after Steve Davis and Stephen Hendry, to hold the Masters, World and UK titles at the same time. "That triple crown would be a dream but it's going to be tough," he said." (O'Sullivan is beaten by bruised Doherty, The Independent, 13 Feb 1999). (There were earlier references to an "overseas" triple crown but that was just about winning three tournaments outside the UK.) Has the actual term been around since the 80s? I'll have a look in a couple of books. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • "In 1977, a third Triple Crown event was created" -> "In 1977, the final Triple Crown event was created"
  • "it was opened up to all professionals and became a ranking event in 1984" -> "in 1984 the competition was opened to all professionals and also became a ranking event."
  • "called the "snooker's majors""
  • "Triple Crown events are considered the highest professional titles in terms of prestige, and often host the most prize money" -> "Triple Crown events are considered the most prestigious snooker titles, and have generally offered the most prize money"
  • "However, in recent years, money for other events, such as the China Open and the upcoming Saudi Arabia Snooker Masters." You haven't finished this sentence. Presumably you mean to say that those events have offered larger prize funds?
  • "As of 2019, players who had completed the Triple Crown had a gold crown embroidered into their playing waistcoats" -> From the 2019 Masters onwards, players who have completed the Triple Crown have a gold crown embroidered on their playing waistcoats in recognition of their achievement.


Triple Crown winners

Tournament winners

  • Ok

Images

  • Ok. Ronnie image is appropriately licenced. I think the PD licence for the Triple Crown logo is borderline. Is the stylised crown really a "simple geometric shape"?

Sources

  • What makes Chris Turner's Snooker Archive a reliable source?
  • What makes Global Snooker Centre a reliable source?
    • Similar.
  • What makes Snooker Database a reliable source?
    • Been respected as significantly more reliable alongside snooker.org for use on results and similar.
  • What makes Snooker Scene a reliable source?
  • Source 19 should include Sky Sports in the ref
  • What makes snooker.org a reliable source?
    • Most of the above are items that are deemed reliable, but more than willing to open up a talk to gain consensus. For reference, we are pretty quick to make items unreliable when they are likely to not always be accurate, such as cuetracker.net, which is globally blacklisted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
      • I've stumbled across discussion relating to cuetracker.net when reading snooker articles in the past, but I would highly recommend adding something about sources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Snooker regarding which ones are considered realiable and which are not. Because of the, shall we say, rather homemade nature of many of these sites, they don't scream RELIABLE. In the example of Chris Turner, I can't find much about him on the web, so it would be useful for reviewers if you could establish why he was considered a "notable snooker historian". You clearly know your stuff, but I think this question will come up again and again unless there's a discussion and somewhere to point reviewers to to explain Cavie78 (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
An interesting read on a subject I love, but feels like there's quite a lot to do to take this to GA status. Placing on hold for Cavie78 (talk) 10:47, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
No problem, this all seems very doable. Glad to hear you are a fan! If you are interested in snooker, I have a whole series of articles coming through GAN! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Just looking for an additional source, and I'll have covered the above Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:39, 20 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
I think I've made all of the above fixes, I hope it's suitable. I was unable to find an exact date for the Triple Crown being founded, so I've made a few changes Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:19, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for making the changers Lee Vilenski I'm going to pass this, but I think you need to address the issue with the sources for snooker articles once and for all. Congrats. I saw my first Triple Crown last year in York at the Uks when play was stopped three times due to people in the audience fainting/being sick before Higgins and Bingham played one of the worst matches I've ever seen! Feel free to let me know if you need anymore reviews for snooker articles Cavie78 (talk) 20:32, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
You'll never catch me working on snooker articles! That the 2019 UK Championship? I've been putting off writing that one, but it is on the to-do list. Apart from a majestic semi for Maguire, it wasn't my favourite comp! I'll write something up at WT:SNOOKER in due course about the sourcing, as it makes a lot of sense. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:37, 25 May 2020 (UTC)Reply
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