Talk:Troll Bridge

Czech translation

I have the book "Divadlo krutosti" ("Theatre of Cruelty") in front of me. It's a collection of all the short stories by Terry Pratchett (with the exception of Death and What Comes Next), translated by Jan Kantůrek (the translator of all the Discworld books). The Czech title of this story is, surprisingly, "Trollí most" ("Troll Bridge"). I have no idea why should the story be named "Základna" (Base/Foundation) in Czech; it has nothing to do with the storyline. The reference is almost certainly mistaken (or perhaps "Základna" is a name of another anthology?)

Aha! Here's a page of a Czech SF/F book database; it lists the following books where the story appears:

• Divadlo krutosti
• Mamutí kniha humoristické fantasy
• Základna 7

Further update: that link seems to be also mistaken; this page lists it as "Základna 7/95" - apparently some sci-fi/fantasy magazine. (The Cori Celesti part seems to be completely wrong; Google found nothing relevant.) - Mike Rosoft 18:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Here it's stated explicitly. - Mike Rosoft 19:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Making Terry Pratchett a Featured Article

This is a call to arms to make the Terry Pratchett article a Featured Article. It will greatly help the cause if all the side articles that link from it are of a reasonable standard. Terry Pratchett has around 40 side articles (ie the ones relating to his work) - I don't think they are all expected to be GA (Good Article) standard for TP to become featured, but certain basic elements will be looked at for sure.

A full list of the sub articles is here on the TP talk page: I'm posting this comment on the talk pages of each article on the list. Editors reading may also like to help with the TP article too?

The main issue, especially with smaller articles, is often a finding reasonable amount of citations, and prose can sometimes be a little POV too. Coverage of the topic is probably less important, but of course it needs to be reasonably good. --Matt Lewis (talk) 15:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Assessment

In an attempt to re-open the Discworld Portal I am starting to clean up the articles. However, I have found that most of the short stories are a bit of a mess and need complete revamps. To this end, I was hoping someone (or better still a few people) could do a basic assessment on the re-vamp of Troll Bridge and leave the results either on the discussion page or my talk page. Thank you.Where is WikiResearch? (talk) 17:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

That's not a clean up. The lists of characters and locations are trivia and of no encyclopaedic use, the Tolkien ref section is OR, the list of translations is so unnecessary it's not even funny (guess what, this is the English Wikipedia), the POV is overwhelming ("the premier source for all things Discworld"), and so on and so forth. Go and look up WP:OR, WP:NPOV, and WP:RS at least, before you do any more cleaning up. Geoff B (talk) 17:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll try again with a point-by-point breakdown as Kendroche has not seen fit to reply on here, instead resorting to edit warring and accusations of vandalism.

• Troll Bridge is a Discworld (world) short story, written by Terry Pratchett in 1991 for a collection entitled After The King: Stories in Honour of J.R.R. Tolkien(ISBN:0-330-32027-0). - no need to have an ISBN in the lead.

• The story is set some time around the events at the start of Wyrd Sisters, 5 years after the events in The Light Fantastic although wasn't released until 1992, following Witches Abroad. - trivia, I doubt lspace.org is a reliable source, and this information is of no encyclopaedic use to anyone at all. The only people interested will be Discworld fans.

• Locations - a list of WP:TRIVIA that is of no use to anyone except Discworld fans. The locations are not notable enough to have their own articles.

• Major/Minor Characters - Trivia again. Of no use or interest to anyone except...Discworld fans! Offers no extra information (especially not Wikipedia's favourite kind, sourced information) or insight into the characters.

• J.R.R. Tolkien Reference - Original research! Not allowed on Wikipedia!

• Translations - Beyond the scope of this, the English Wikipedia. The other various Wikipedias in their various languages will cover the work.

Is that clear enough? Geoff B (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

That is better. Thank you. I actually missed yesterday's comments not ignored them. As for the edit warring snipe - you are as guilty as I.

The article is only ever going to be read BY discworld fans and those looking for in depth info into the Discworld and Terry Pratchett's Novel so what you call trivia is, in fact, important information. As for the char. and location info being unsourced, that is untrue. They are sourced directly from the story (and associated stories) - before you say you cannot do that, remember that this is work on a piece of fictional literature not scientific research and the only true references are the books themselves.

I can accept that the Translations section is a bit overboard, the Tolkien references are exectly in line with Discworld style and as the story was written in honour of Tolkien... The ISBN only appeared there as I could not make it appear in the template.

I think this matter needs either a third, impartial opinion or that of Mr Pratchett himself.

I hope you enjoy spoiling others' work.Where is WikiResearch? (talk) 05:52, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Have requested arbitrationWhere is WikiResearch? (talk) 07:18, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Third opinion: "The article is only ever going to be read BY discworld fans... so what you call trivia is, in fact, important information." That's faulty logic. Just because an article fills a niche category does not mean that it can ignore the rules of Wikipedia. I therefore agree with Geoff B's removal of all of that trivial text; it was just too much, and largely violated WP:WEIGHT and WP:TRIVIA. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:11, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your contribution. By your interpretation of the rules, I have nothing left to offer the Discworld Portal and will re-set it to inactive. I can only hope that one-day it can be reopened to incorporate the information that the readers might find important.Where is WikiResearch? (talk) 18:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

This isn't a competition, and I'm sorry if you feel put out. It's just that we have rules as to what can and can't go into Wikipedia. Honestly I think the text that you're looking to add would be much better included on the Discworld Wikia or someplace like that. That's really why those extra Wikis are out there - for the text that's less encyclopedic but more interesting to a smaller group of people. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 18:58, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Competition was never intended. My point was to improve the Discworld Portal to represent something that (I had thought) the people (i.e. the fans and the Author) would appreciate. Troll Bridge was an experiment into how my approach would be received; so thank you for the feedback; it frees me up to waste my time on other Wiki projects (which will be inevitably shot down in flames). They may receive the same treatment, or they may be accepted you never know.

Troll Bridge is done with now and I have inhumed the portal (for now - Death may never turn up for it) but, If you don't mind, could you let me know what happened to Minor Discworld Concepts...?(on my talk page)Where is WikiResearch? (talk) 19:53, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

You're taking this a bit too personally. See the five pillars. Anyone can, and will, mercilessly edit your contributions. Being rude, calling them a vandal, etc does not make them go away, and it will happen to you, as it happens to every Wikipedia editor, whichever articles you edit. See WP:CIVIL. Geoff B (talk) 20:16, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

References

General troll bridge theme

When one enters ‘troll bridge’ in the search box, it takes one here. But this article makes no mention of the fact that troll bridges are a general theme in fiction (see e.g. here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrollBridge) and makes it sound as if the concept of a ‘troll bridge’ were an invention of the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.82.82 (talk) 15:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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