Talk:Hurricane Helene

Split out Florida?

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The article is currently 8,899 words and likely over 9,000 once words in tables are included. It’s at the point that my phone struggled to even load the page due to how long it was. As a result, I am proposing splitting off the Florida content, which has a lot of information for the preparations and impacts and is likely incomplete. Especially as this article is likely to grow in the aftermath, it is reasonable to consider trimming this down a bit. While Noah above explains that this is undue, I would like to disagree and say that the Florida section should be approximately in line with the South Carolina section, not the North Carolina one. SIZERULE recommends a split above 8,000 words and I don’t think this rises to a Katrina level storm where we keep it over 8,000. 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

This article doesn’t even mention any rainfall impacts for Florida, which there isn’t a ton of info for but I found this and this. As a result, the Florida section is still incomplete. Once expanded it will be a lot longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. Tavantius (talk) 13:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Pinging people who usually work on these articles: @Drdpw @Wildfireupdateman @HurricaneEdgar @Zzzs @Hurricanehink. Tavantius (talk) 13:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Neutral - Florida section is quite long. Technically, article should be split per SIZERULE. However, this is an important topic that may warrant a long article. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Support – per nom. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 00:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Neutral - per @Wildfireupdateman Shmego (talk) 20:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom Quake1234 (talk) 19:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - trim the Georgia and North Carolina sections first, since they both have sub-articles, and shorten the Political response. There are 1300 words, which is a significant part of the article, but a lot of it reads like it was written in real time. "Biden spoke to a couple whose home had been destroyed by storm surge and discussed the impacts of the storm with local emergency management officials before returning to Perry where he boarded Marine One and then flew to Moody Air Force Base in Georgia." - this is pretty insignificant. The whole two paragraphs about Biden visiting damaged areas could be written in a few sentences. And the last paragraph:

• "On October 7, NBC News reported that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis refused to take Vice President Kamala Harris' phone calls about storm recovery, according to an aide who claimed that DeSantis was avoiding talking to Harris because the calls "seemed political". In a press conference later that day DeSantis disputed the report saying that he didn't know Harris had called and said that he wasn't the one who was saying it was political. When Harris was asked about the report she did not deny it and without naming DeSantis directly accused the Florida Governor of "playing political games" in a moment of crisis and that it was "just utterly irresponsible".[369] DeSantis later appeared on Fox News where he said that Harris had "no role" in the recovery effort and said that she was the "first one who is trying to politicize the storm" and that she had done it because of her campaign for president."

Ugh that just seems so cringey to read at the end of a hurricane article, when this seems so trivial now. I don't think a separate Florida article would help much at this point, I just think the main article needs some tweaking. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Augusta, GA

Why is there not any information on Augusta, GA’s devastation? We had the most deaths in GA from Helene. 2601:100:8A00:DD80:1060:69B7:C93B:2AEA (talk) 12:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, apologies for the late reply. Here at Wikipedia, we are required to use reliable sources. We cannot add your suggestion without a source. Also, note that we may not add it if the information is too specific as this is a large article. ✶Quxyz✶ 14:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the discussion doesn't follow the storm's track as it was well east of the Atlanta area. The track on the page isn't very accurate.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=536885592263834

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V59N_gThgTI

I don't see discussion on the inaccuracy of the NHC's forecast. I'm in the utility business and follow storm forecasts regularly and this one was way off even as it was occurring. I can't recall seeing an NHC forecast so bad. Ventusky.com's chosen model was accurate days out, though I discounted it and relied on NHC to my detriment. See

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2024/HELENE_graphics.php?product=5day_cone_with_line

The devastation line was (S-N) Valdosta, Douglas, Hazlehurst, Vidalia, Swainsboro, Augusta. Go 30 miles east of these cities and the damage dropped off significantly... no where near Atlanta. Granite03 (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Should the conspiracy theories have 1 or 2 sentences in the lead?

There is a disagreement between editors on if the conspiracy theories/A.I.-generated images related to this hurricane should be mention in the lead at all, or if it should be given one or two sentences. For background see the split article, Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support — As the editor in the disagreement who initially added the content, it if worth mentioning. The lead is support to mention a summary of the content in the article. A lot of the “Aftermath” section mentions conspiracy theories and things related to FEMA-related conspiracy theories. Heck, the split article for the conspiracy theories is linked at the top of the “Political response” section. So yes, to help summarize the article, I strongly believe a sentence or two should be given in the lead for the conspiracy theories/A.I.-generated content. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Drdpw: As the initial disagreeing editor, your thoughts here on why it is not noteworthy at all for the lead would be very much appreciated. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Such a paragraph in the lead would be WP:UNDUE. At most, perhaps, a sentence stating that The storm generated much political and social media controversy. Drdpw (talk) 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@WeatherWriter I only see one sentence in the entire aftermath section related to conspiracy theories, and it doesn't mention anything about A.I.-generated images. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Zzzs: since you are determined to revert the content, I request you comment regarding it here. To note, Drdpw is not opposed to at least 1 sentence mentioning it. You seem to be reverting it entirely, so since you are currently the only editor (through reverts) set on removing it entirely from the lead, your thoughts are requested here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  No comment. I was simply upholding the status quo until consensus is reached. _ZZ^Z'S 17:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 11 November 2024

Please remove the “ overall 5th costliest hurricane in U.S. history” in the info box, since those are unofficial estimates and not confirmed by a reliable source. Coster85 (talk) 12:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Would like to add to this request and ask that any sort of mention the storm being the xth costliest or most destructive anywhere in the article be removed. JayTee⛈️ 17:40, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• I concur with this edit request. Official damage totals from the U.S. government, who officially still have Helene's damage total marked as "TBD", as seen on NOAA's Billion-Dollar Weather and Climate Disasters list. That is why "(Unofficial estimates)" is in the infobox, as the currently listed damage total is not the official damage total, but rather an RS's estimate. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

 Done --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 12 November 2024

Change "October 9 ( (later extended through October 28)" to "October 9 (later extended through October 28)" to fix the typo. I also recommend to mention that classes were made entirely remote and optional for the rest of the semester once classes returned on the 28th. Legority (talk) 01:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Legority: I've corrected the typo. What is the source for the other edit you're suggesting? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Here: https://web.archive.org/web/20241031033340/https://new.unca.edu/bulldogalert/ Legority (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2024

I was in Madison, Florida during Hurricane Helene and took some pics of the damage and wanted to post them on the wiki if that's okay. Here are the images that I uploaded to commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Structural_Damage_in_Madison,_FL_after_Hurricane_Helene.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tree_damage_in_Madison,_FL_after_Hurricane_Helene.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Downed_Cell_or_Radio_tower_in_Madison,_FL.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tons_of_Sheet_Metal_thrown_around_by_Hurricane_Helene%27s_fierce_winds_in_Madison,_FL.jpg SWFLWX (talk) 23:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@SWFLWX, Right now, I would refrain until a seperate Florida article is made. ✶Quxyz✶ 23:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

A separate Florida article?

Interesting.

Fine with me. SWFLWX (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)