Talk:Trump travel ban

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New ban

Trump just signed a new ban. Someone should make a new page about that and add it here. (I would do it, but I don't really know enough about it.) PiratePablo (talk) 02:16, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Done. Sometimes the sky is blue (talk) 03:31, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Delete

This page should be deleted. It lacks citations supporting the idea that these are called the "Trump travel ban" and "Trump Muslim ban", and why isn't there an article called "Obama travel ban" for when the Obama administration, in February 2016 banned people from the exact same 7 countries?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Universe (talk • contribs) 16:15, September 26, 2017 (UTC)

That's not exactly true. See: Did the Obama Administration Select the Countries Affected by President Trump’s Immigration Order? -- BullRangifer (talk) 14:57, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

At the time the comment was made, there were no citations because it was a disambiguation page. Wikipedia prohibits citations in disambiguation pages. Now that the page has been expanded to a full article, the article properly uses citations. BarbadosKen (talk) 16:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I believe there should be a section added which compares how the current travel ban affected the "banned" countries in comparison to the travel bans put in place by other administrations such as the Obama administration. Sahil28699 (talk) 22:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC) November 10, 2019

Expiration of the ban?

The page says "Presidential Proclamation 9645 (September 24, 2017) – A third travel ban to replace the second one, which expired after 90 days.". Is there any source for the expiration part?

According to this analysis, "On June 26, 2018, the Supreme Court of the United States issued an opinion in the case of Trump v. Hawaii. (Travel Ban 3.0). Writing for the five-justice majority, Chief Justice Roberts held [that President Trump’s travel ban does not violate the constitution or the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)]. The Proclamation remains in full force indefinitely." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.177.88.207 (talk) 21:08, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Exactly. The third travel ban (Travel Ban 3.0) has no expiration. The second travel ban was only valid for 90 days. Banana Republic (talk) 18:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Why is it a "Muslim" travel ban?

Looking at some numbers.

Why is it a "Muslim" travel ban when it only affects 6 majority Muslim countries? There are 50 majority Muslim countries according to Pew research. That's only 12%.

How is it a Muslim ban when it only affects 135m people? There are 1800m Muslims. That's only 7.5%, and many of the 135m aren't Muslim so it's really less.

Is calling it a Muslim ban politically motivated? That's the only reason I can think of. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14C:8200:1680:7942:87F6:8A04:E55 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Calling it a Muslim ban was political both from proponents, starting with DJT himself (making a link between Islam and security) and opponents (labelling it as religion-based discrimination) at the time. This is therefore yugely relevant to understanding the politics of it all. This decision had everything to do with politics and erasing a mention of that would amount to whitewashing. JBLMartin (talk) 12:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

If you want to be super technical, then no, it was not a Muslim ban, nor did the ban explicitly target muslims. However, as evidenced by Mr. Trump's campaign rhetoric and his website prior to May 2017, the motivation behind the ban was to reduce muslim immigration to the United States, which it successfully did when it was in effect. I would say that it is appropriate to mention that this ban is sometimes called the "Muslim ban" since this noun phrase is mentioned in the secondary sources, and also since reducing muslim immigration was the primary goal of the EO. Voluntari Tau (talk) 16:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow North Korea suddenly became a muslim nation under this description — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.193.185.132 (talk) 08:24, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

NK was just added to deflect criticisim & legal challenges that this was discrimination based on religion [Citation needed]. It was advertised politically by its proponents and its critics as based on religion, whether it was efficient or inefficient discrimination.

This therefore reasonably justifies keeping mentionning its (second) name as a Muslim Ban or Muslim Travel Ban (which is obvioulsy contentious and therefore relegated to a second position), but that is the name it will have in the history books, how it was called by its proponents and opponents, world press and people involved at the time. Removing reference to this name would be politically motivated partisan hijacking JBLMartin (talk) 12:33, 7 December 2022 (UTC)