Talk:Trumpet Concerto (Haydn)
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High notes and pitch
editI removed the following: "The highest note of this concerto occurs in the first movement (super E flat) and is pitched at 1108.73 Hertz." I didn't think it was particularly noteworthy. Michael Haydn's concerto contains higher notes (F sharp I believe) and the Hz number depends on your reference pitch (which was a half-step lower back in Haydn's day). Joseph Haydn's concerto is notable for its low notes anyways (or at least its chromaticism in the lower region. Documenting the removal here in case someone would like it restored. DavidRF 16:51, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Weidinger's Instrument
editI added a citation-needed tag for the negative reviews of the original instrument. Also, there should be a note that regardless of how bad (or odd) the modified instrument sounded, the surviving score with chromatic notes has proven to be very important because the trumpet was eventually successfully modified with valves to play chromatically throughout its range. Its frequently performed and recorded on modern trumpets. DavidRF 15:03, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
ripieno trumpet
editThe scoring mentions that the non-solo trumpets are ripieno trumpets. What are those? Is there an article we can link to for that? Trumpet technology is important for the article with all the discussion of keyed, valved and natural trumpets. Thanks. DavidRF (talk) 00:29, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. I used a concerto grosso term without realizing how easily in this context it could lead to confusion. Perhaps there is a word in English that more clearly explains that these two trumpets function as part of the orchestra and that virtuosity is not expected of them, just competence? Horn of Plenty (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- If its just an issue of playing competence, I'd leave out the adjective. I think its assumed in any concerto that the solo part is more prominent and virtuosic than any parts played by that same instrument in the "tutti". My question pertained to whether it was a different instrument. Much is made about the fact that the solo trumpet was a keyed trumpet and could play extra notes. Were the orchestral trumpets the valveless variety or Natural trumpets? Or maybe it doesn't really matter? Thanks.DavidRF (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- They could very well have been natural trumpets 'crooked' in Es. Their parts are pretty much limited to the (written) pitches C, D, E, G (with a C-E dyad being predictably followed by G-D and viceversa), while the solo trumpet part freely goes up and down the scale and even has the occasional flat or sharp. Horn of Plenty (talk) 23:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
- If its just an issue of playing competence, I'd leave out the adjective. I think its assumed in any concerto that the solo part is more prominent and virtuosic than any parts played by that same instrument in the "tutti". My question pertained to whether it was a different instrument. Much is made about the fact that the solo trumpet was a keyed trumpet and could play extra notes. Were the orchestral trumpets the valveless variety or Natural trumpets? Or maybe it doesn't really matter? Thanks.DavidRF (talk) 22:52, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Added The first performance date
editI added in a sentence to the end of the top section to include the date of the first performance of the concerto. The source that I found was a online data base so so hopefully, that will be enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcorrad (talk • contribs) 00:59, 28 June 2021 (UTC)