Talk:Truth or Dare (Tyla song)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks! Consider adding this song to the target page.

NotAGenious (talk) 18:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. dxneo (talk) 22:03, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Clarity on (re)-release date

Hello Flabshoe1, I see here with no edit summary you've changed the song from "song" to "single" and also claimed that it was re-released on 2 February 2024, furthermore your statement was not cited to any (reliable) source. And Cybertrip, I also noticed that here you've also removed content cited to a reliable source and also claimed that the song was re-released as a single accompanied by its visuals, and you also failed to cite a source to your statement. According to this source, Tyla took to social media to announce that "Truth or Dare" will be released on 1 December 2023, so which sources did the both of you cite from stating that the song was re-released as a single? As far as I know, only "On and On" was re-released as a single by A COLORS SHOW. Before I proceed to revert your edits, please do list the source(s) to your statements Thank you. dxneo (talk) 21:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I don’t know about On and On, but Truth or Dare was officially released as Tyla’s second single and sent to US rhythmic radio, as confirmed by Hits here: https://m.hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=339764 Flabshoe1 (talk) Flabshoe1 (talk) 21:42, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Flabshoe1, beside the fact that your source is not reliable, it also does not say anything at all about the reissue of the song. About "On and On", here is the single version before it was added into the album. And again, Cybertrip why did you replace this reliable source with this source? It looks like a Nigerian source and most Nigerian sources are said to be COI, replacing a reliable source is not the way to go. Unless good sources are brought forward, I will revert your edits Thank you. dxneo (talk) 10:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Hits magazine is a reliable source accepted by Wikipedia and used on pages such as Is It Over Now? by Taylor Swift to prove that a song is a single. By the “reissue” of the song, it means the song was initially released as a song, then was sent to rhythmic radio and became a single.Flabshoe1 (talk) 10:14, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Flabshoe1, again, there is no source verifying your statement, Hits is not listed here (WP:RSMUSIC) and is not a green source so I don't know which Wikipedia accepted the source 'cause it was never assessed. And your source was published on 13 February 2024 and also does not say anything about this song being released on 2 February 2024. Please do bring sources forward before I undo your edit(s). dxneo (talk) 12:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I see you recently changed the dates to 13 February, which questions the stability of your "facts". dxneo (talk) 12:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I am making sure that the page is in line with the official source, which state the song was released to radio in 13 February. If I may ask, what will you revert the page to? Before my edits, the song was not listed as a single. Will you revert it back to a non-single? Flabshoe1 (talk) 14:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Flabshoe1, there's no such thing as an official source, and yes I will revert it back to a song 'til further sources stating that it was re-released and it is a single are brought to light. If we were to say an "official source" then Tyla herself announced the release date of the song on her Instagram and Twitter (1 December; along with the digital EP). No one ever said anything about 2 February and 13 February or whatever date you're gonna jump to next. If it helps, you may do the honors of changing back dates and song type Thank you. dxneo (talk) 15:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

With all due respect Cybertrip, but this is pure nonsensical, the infobox is saying that the song was released on 13 February but the release history says otherwise, worse part is that the information on the cited sources of the release history details does not match the information provided on this site. If the song was released on 29 February in "various" countries and on 1 March in the United States then on which part of earth was it release on 13 February and where was it released on 1 December 2023? If you can't find sources to back your claims please revert your edits and stop misleading the readers as this page had approximately 11,000 visiters in the past 30 days. And the music video information you added was clearly unnecessary since it is already added under the music video section. dxneo (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Hiiii Dxneo :) Sorry I honestly got the dates wrong in the table-- that's totally my bad so thank you for bringing it up (I copied the table format from a different article and forgot to change it)!! And then regarding the music video info that I added in the start, the WP:LEAD section is just meant to "a summary of [the] most important contents" of the article, so the repetition is on purpose. Let me know if you have any more queries and hopefully we can sort it out. Have a wonderful evening :) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Truth or Dare (Tyla song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Dxneo (talk · contribs) 08:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Medxvo (talk · contribs) 21:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Lead and infobox

• "from her 2024 self-titled debut studio album" → "from her 2024 self-titled debut studio album"

 Not done same difference. There can only be only debut. dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I was particularly referencing the songs articles of Taylor Swift (album), such as "Picture to Burn" and "Teardrops on My Guitar" (both GAs). Another writing style can be seen in "Our Song" (FA). It's fine this way, though, since I can't find a guideline for this style at the moment; it was just a suggestion. Medxvo (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "It was released by FAX and Epic Records as a promotional single with two other songs on 1 December 2023, before impacting rhythmic contemporary radio in the United States on 13 February 2024 as the second single from the album" → "It was released by FAX and Epic Records as a promotional single from her self-titled extended play, before impacting rhythmic contemporary radio in the United States on 13 February 2024, as the second single from the album"

 Done dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• The song's writers and producer can be included in the lead before the "musically" part

On the album's Peer Review, I was advised to put the important intel first before name dropping non-notable contributors. dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The writers and producers of a song are important things that should be included in the lead, in my opinion. It can be written like this; "Written by Tyla, Ari PenSmith, Imani Lewis, Corey Marlon Lindsay-Keay, Jamal Europe, and its producer Sammy SoSo, "Truth or Dare" is an amapiano track infused with elements of afrobeats and contemporary R&B". Medxvo (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done dxneo (talk) 16:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "It also reached number four on the U.S. Bubbling Under Hot 100, number eleven in New Zealand and number 15 in both Japan and her native South Africa" → "It reached number four on the U.S. Bubbling Under Hot 100, number eleven in New Zealand, and number fifteen in Japan and Tyla's native South Africa" (Just for consistency)

Not really feeling this but  Done dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "gold certification" → "gold certifications"

 Done dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Per WP:EXPLICITGENRE, all the genres in the infobox should be removed (according to the given sources in the article); However, you can add this source as a source for the amapiano genre and keep it in the infobox and remove the others.; I can't find any other sources explicitly stating that the song is afrobeats or R&B. The genres are perfectly written in the lead, though, if you include the amapiano genre source.

 Not done the source does not say anything about amapiano. However, it says that "“Truth Or Dare” is set to propel her further into the spotlight, establishing her as a force to be reckoned with in contemporary Pop and R&B music." dxneo (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It says, "The music video, a testament to NABIL's visionary direction and Tyla's undeniable charisma, promises to captivate audiences and enhance the global appeal of the infectious Amapiano track". Medxvo (talk) 08:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

But still, critics say it features elements of R&B and afrobeats, but  Done dxneo (talk) 17:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Sections

• "It was one of the three promotional singles taken from Tyla's self-titled digital extended play (EP) released on 1 December 2023, by FAX Records and Epic Records" → "It was one of the three promotional singles taken from Tyla's self-titled digital extended play (EP), released on 1 December 2023 by FAX Records and Epic Records"

What was modified here? A comma? dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the placement of the comma. I think it should be right before the release date and the labels, not between them. Medxvo (talk) 08:07, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done dxneo (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "Truth or Dare" re-entered and peaked" → "re-entered" can be removed since it's not explained in the source

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "With over 51 million streams on Spotify in April 2024, "Truth or Dare" was the second most streamed song by Tyla, trailing behind "Water" until it was surpassed by "Jump" when it amassed over 100 million streams in June 2024" → Unsourced, you can use this source, and it can be written as, "As of April 2024, "Truth or Dare" is Tyla's second-most-streamed song on Spotify, with over 51 million streams globally". It's better like this in my opinion without any unnecessary details. Also, you can remove the references 21 and 22, since they are unreliable and they also don't support the claim

Too lazy to quote the sources but they "co-support" the claim. "Truth or Dare" is no longer her 2nd biggest song, "Jump" took over. Other suggestions?

Anyway, ref21 says that "Tyla’s “Jump” ft. Gunna and Skillibeng has now surpassed 100 million streams on Spotify. It’s the 2nd song from “TYLA” debut album and Tyla’s 2nd song overall to reach this milestone." Ref22 is pretty much like ref 21. I also wouldn't say The Citizen is not a reliable source. dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

When I said unsourced, I meant the information regarding "Truth or Dare" and its streams count, which is the most important thing here, and I'm pretty sure it's unsourced. The Independent Online source that I provided supports the claim "As of April 2024, "Truth or Dare" is Tyla's second-most-streamed song on Spotify, with over 51 million streams globally", which is the most important information regarding this part and this article. Since the date "April 2024" is provided and there are no newer sources supporting newer streams count for "Truth or Dare", this phrase and the Independent Online source can be used without any problem and without any further details regarding other songs. Medxvo (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, I see now. Changed the ref. dxneo (talk) 17:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• The entire commercial performance part needs to be re-written in my opinion, my suggestion, → "Truth or Dare" debuted at number one in Korea, Norway, Denmark, Sweden and the Levant. In the United States, it peaked at number four on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 Singles on the chart dated 6 April 2024. Elsewhere, it peaked at number 11 in New Zealand and number 15 in Japan and Tyla's native South Africa. "Truth or Dare" charted at number one on the UK Afrobeats Singles Chart, number three on the Billboard U.S. Afrobeats Songs, and number four on the World Digital Song Sales. It peaked at number 17 on the Rhythmic chart, and number 41 on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart. "Truth or Dare" was certified Gold in Brazil by Pro-Música Brasil, and in Canada by Music Canada. As of April 2024, "Truth or Dare" is Tyla's second-most-streamed song on Spotify, with over 51 million streams globally"

Hmm, please point out the errors and also tell me how you'd fix it if you were in my shoes please. dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I think I already did…. my suggestion of wording is written after "my suggestion, → …." Medxvo (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Elsewhere is a redundant term, but  Done. dxneo (talk) 17:53, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "who later worked with Tyla on the videos for "Water (Remix)", "Art", "Jump" and "Breathe Me" → I don't think using Wikipedia as a source here is a good idea, you can use a source for each music video, or remove this sentence (since it's not that much necessary here)

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "It was shot in the Caribbean in December 2024" → "It was shot in the Caribbean in December 2023" (obviously)

 Done I'm dumb. dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "storytelling and visuals" → "storytelling and visual media"

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "In the video, Tyla receives a text in the kitchen, and she links up with her problematic ex-lover, with whom, she drives off on an awful journey" → "In the video, Tyla receives a text in the kitchen and links up with her problematic ex-lover; she drives off on an awful journey with him"

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "When he eventually catches up to her" → "When the ex-lover eventually catches up to Tyla"

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "Tyla performed most of the tracks from the record including "Breathe Me" and "Water", and cover songs at the 2024 edition of Summer Sonic Festival in Osaka, Japan on 17 August 2024" → Unnecessary details and I can't even find in the sources that she performed "Truth or Dare". If there are no sources supporting this, it can be removed

Well, here is the setlist. Such a shame I couldn't get it in writing (although there are thousand clips of her performing the song), but for such details, Apple Music is considered reliable. If you still think it should be removed, let me know mate. dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

No, the Apple Music source is fine, but just please paraphrase this part if you can since it doesn't even mention "Truth or Dare" and has too much unnecessary details, in my opinion. Medxvo (talk) 08:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. dxneo (talk) 17:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

• "she delivered a 45-minutes long performance where she opened with "Safer", followed by "On My Body", which she performed with Becky G. Tyla also performed her non-album singles "Thata Ahh" and "Ke Shy", the latter by Major Lazer and Major League DJz before performing a mash-up of Aaliyah's "Rock the Boat" and her "On and On", followed by "Art", "No.1" and "Truth or Dare", as she went on to perform another non-album single "Bana Ba", then "Breathe Me" and "Jump" before closing with "Water" → Paraphrase to only include the "Truth or Dare" performance

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• "Credits are adapted from the liner notes" → "Credits are adapted from the liner notes of Tyla"

 Done dxneo (talk) 23:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

References

• Ref 6; wrong date (year)
• Ref 15; missing author
• Ref 39; missing author and date
• Ref 6, 7, and 13; not archived
• Ref 21 and 22; can be removed (discussed above)

Everything else looks fine! @Dxneo: I'll put this  On hold for now; happy to pass once the issues are fixed or discussed. Also, if you have time and you're interested enough, please consider reviewing Taylor Swift Productions, I have been working on it for over a month and would like to know your thoughts :) Medxvo (talk) 21:44, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I will definitely give Taylor Swift Productions a look. dxneo (talk) 23:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Amazing work! Thanks for your fast reply. I responded to a couple of things above that I would like to discuss with you before passing the article. Medxvo (talk) 08:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

All in all, I think I've addressed every issues you've raised so far Thank you. dxneo (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Amazing! I made some copyedits now that you may have forgotten and other copyedits that I thought would make the article look better, other than that, @Dxneo: well done! I am going to ✓ Pass this article now. Congratulations! Also, thanks for considering reviewing Taylor Swift Productions, very much appreciated. I will be waiting for your thoughts whenever you can :) Medxvo (talk) 18:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)