Talk:Truth serum

what about LSD

What about LSD? Has LSD been used as a truth serum? It was used in the movie _The Good Shepherd_ with Matt Damon and Robert Dinero —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.94.89 (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

That would be included under MKULTRA. Sephiroth storm (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Name of the article, "truth serum" or "truth drug"

Google shows 70,000+ results for "truth serum" and 8,000+ for "truth drug", maybe the first name would be more suitable? --xDCDx 16:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Maybe the first for the main name and "Truth drug" redirecting to it. 70.181.240.148 (talk) 04:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Addition to "Truth drugs in popular culture"?

While probably not as well known as some of the others listed here, I was wondering if it might be worthwhile to add the use of "fastpenta" (a presumed thiopental derivative) in the science-fiction universe created by Lois McMaster Bujold? (since veritaserum and "The Undisputed Truth" are already included). thanks for the feedback,

It would be better either to delete the whole section or move it into page of its own so kids could have a nice place to play and add all the latest videogames Pavel Vozenilek 04:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

In the episode of the Fairly Odd Parents,"A Bad Case of Diary-Uh", Vicky uses the truth serum or truth drugh with Timmy, For know, whence he get that personal information from her, Timmy answers the Internet, so Vicky uses the truth serum & he says he read it from her diary. Sarah sofía 18:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I certainly consider the popular culture sections to be worthless collections of trivia. Secretlondon 12:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the entire pop culture section adds nothing to the article and is inappropriate in an encyclopedia article. I am deleting it. If anyone wants to discuss it, please do so here on the talk page. Beatdown 19:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I just added a sentence on the movie True Lies before reading this talk page. I've found no policy on the inappropriateness of pop culture trivia in WP:LOP. WP:TRIVIA is a proposed policy or guideline. WP:AVTRIV says "This guideline does not suggest deletion of trivia sections. Instead, consider it a list of "facts pending integration" or "facts lacking sufficient context for integration." As far as I know, there is no standard definition of "interesting", "important", or "relevant" on Wikipedia, as those terms are all subjective. I understand lists of pop culture trivia can get out of hand, but I see no reason to delete related information. Perhaps the page on True Lies should link to truth drug and not vice versa. Thoughts? --Pixelface 23:03, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Pixel, I think it would be great if you link to the Truth Drug page from the True Lies page. I don't think the Truth Drug page should link to True Lies. I agree that some trivia is nice, and pop culture references often engage readers. However, it has been my experience that these often get out of hand (as was the case on this page). For that reason, unless it is essential and adds to the informational value of the article, I generally find most pop culture references to not fit the encyclopedic nature that wikipedia aspires to. Beatdown 01:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the Popular Culture section could be useful if it was more rounded e.g. if any information was to hand on the traditional fairy tales from previous centuries that made use of 'Magic Truth Potions' and suchlike, that might provide the historical background for the emergence of the concept in popular culture. --79.97.249.222 (talk) 21:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed 'In Fiction' section since section appears to have been tagged last Summer, but no refs have been provided. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 22:18, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

How used?

Are all these drugs injected intravenously or do you swallow them? jengod 01:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Depends on the drug. "SP-117" is odorless, tasteless, etc so it's presumably designed for oral use without the person's consent or awareness. 70.181.240.148 (talk) 04:19, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

removed section

I removed the following. It's unsourced (as is much of the article, which should be fixed), and it sounds like rampant speculation rather than documented fact to me. --Robert Merkel 15:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Truth drugs, like anaesthetics, have a recovery period. Some leave subjects with intense nausea, disorientation, lack of balance, tiredness or other discomforting symptoms for a considerable time after being used.

Narcoanalysis was the old name given to the procedure of questioning a psychiatric patient while still under the influence of a narcotic drug given in very low dosage to ensure proper function of the remaining parts of the brain except the prefrontal brain region.

Narcosynthesis is the act of giving orders and instructions and making suggestions to a human subject while he/she is under the influence of a narcotic drug used in low dose. The subject is unconscious. His/her brain's prefrontal lobes are inactive under the drug's influence. The remaining parts of the brain are active. The orders, instructions and suggestions given to the subject state and determine what the subject will do and/or what he/she will think at a predetermined time in the future when he/she will be conscious. These orders, instructions and suggestions are recorded in the unconscious part of the brain. They are not remembered while the subject is conscious. These orders, instructions and suggestions are executed while the subject is conscious when their predetermined time is up. The subject perceives these as thoughts, impulses, intentions and desires which come up to his/her consciousness in a sudden manner. The given orders and instructions are executed in an automated fashion without any influence from the conscious mind. The subject perceives these events as the instinctive and uncontrolled execution of his/her own desires and impulses coming from the unconscious. The method of narcosynthesis can be strenghtened, augmented by the use of pain infliction during the process of giving orders and instructions. ie by torture.

Add proposal

i suggest to create a short paragraph about CIA's mind control operations, with liks to the different operations, such as Project MKDELTA, MKNAOMI, Project MKULTRA Project ARTICHOKE, Project BLUEBIRD Edgewood Arsenal experiments etc. --84.221.197.36 (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Mentioning Kill Bill twice

Why is Kill Bill mentioned twice in the "In pop culture" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.83.10.102 (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Truth of article

Ive talked with a licensed psychologist about so called truth drugs, and he said there is no drug that actually works and makes people the truth. All the drugs may do is loosen inhibitions, there has been no respectable research done that says otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.89.190 (talk) 21:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ask them what happens to the typically ~80% accuracy of the polygraph during the subject's first 15 minutes of consciousness after general anesthesia. 99.38.148.255 (talk) 20:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Removal of sourced information

With regard to this edit, one can not remove information sourced to notable books by simply declare it "rumors". "Rumors" is your personal opinion, which is an WP:OR by definition. If you could provide any sources disputing this specific claim, that would be different.Biophys (talk) 17:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Compound SP-17 mentioned by Litvinenko was described in more detail by Kouzminov. According to him, this is not one of the commonly used drugs mentioned here, but a compound specifically developed in one of their laboratories. He wrote that almost all their own "illegal agents" were tested using this drug. Kuzminov himself took part in "drinking parties" when this drug was given to the agents. He said that even Vitaly Yurchenko was tested using this drug.Biophys (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Are there any more sources mentioning SP-117? I see very few sites mentioning this compound online, and they all seem like unreliable conspiracy sites. 70.181.240.148 (talk) 04:21, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

@SP-117

Sounds allot like Vodka to me.

let the WP:OR speech commence! 88.90.95.105 (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I edited this section to add that, according to one source, it is just alcohol. Previously it was extremely biased, claiming that the USSR had an extremely advanced truth serum. Their source also borders on being a primary source- it's not the USSR but it is a publication known to be affiliated with and influenced by the Russian government. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSyntaxin (talk • contribs) 03:29, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Disambiguate between drugs and statistical techniques

It would be useful to disambiguate between "truth serums" as drugs and various statistical techniques that called "truth serums" - for example, the "A Bayesian Truth Serum For Subjective Data" http://drsmorey.org/bibtex/upload/Prelec:2004.pdf

Tashiro~enwiki (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

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American Centric

When discussing the legalities, the article referred to the United States and then said that concerns were made internationally as well, as if the United States is the world's default country. I amended it to show reflect the fact that the US is a country just like any other. The 5th amendment of the US constitution only applies to the US and not the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.252.124.195 (talk) 03:28, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I added "in the United States" to make it clearer. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 06:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Can someone please fix the beginning of this page?

I tried fixing it myself but the edit got reverted because it was "Far too much for this." If you understand what vintage package is supposed to be please explain. Davidxu160801 (talk) 18:50, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

"vintage package" is just part of the filename for the image. The previous editor to you messed up the template, so maybe try again. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 04:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)