Talk:Tryon Coterie

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Could do with more varied references

Let's discuss

@Jax MN: In the spirit of BRD, I'd like to discuss.

• "Formal names of chapters are always italicized." I'm not aware of that and I don't see that anywhere in the Wikipedia MoS. I looked to see if there was a sub-page for fraternities etc., but found none.
• "Fleur-de-lis starts with a capital." A look at our article Fleur-de-lis does not confirm that. The meaning is "iris flower" and there's no proper name involved.
• "Old gold starts with a capital letter, but piped here for local usage." Old gold is the name of a color. Why would it be capitalized?

Thanks, SchreiberBike | ⌨  22:20, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, and thanks (sincerely) for offering a number of useful edits. I'll respond by number:

1. The Fraternity and Sorority Project has adopted Project-level rules on bolding and italicization, in the spirit of the broader MOS, to keep things clear. Italicized formal chapter names help identify actual chapter names in body text. We have consistently followed this rule throughout some 3,000 fraternity related articles for all fraternities, sororities and societies ("GLOs") which we monitor. Similarly, for articles about GLOs we call out the first mention of a national name in bold text. This comes up when a national group starts as one name and then changes it. This occurrence often sparks our creating a redirect from the old name, or a WP:hatnote of some type if there is confusion. --Or a DAB page. We note active chapters in subordinate lists of chapters of various national fraternities and sororities by bolding active chapters and colonies and by italicizing inactive chapters. Where the status is unknown we leave it in plain text. The legend for this is noted in each introductory paragraph. The Phi Delt list of chapters follows this rule, linked from their main Wikipedia article. All these rules follow a long-standing tradition used by the premier reference book for this subject, Baird's Manual of American College Fraternities.
2. Standard practice with Wikilinks has us use the capitalized version of this well-known heraldic device, where the wikilink uses the original capitalization scheme. See Fleur-de-lis. You will note that I inserted a Wikilink around this item in the body text, at least for its first mention (outside of the infobox). Essentially it is a proper noun and points to a page spelled in that same way.
3. The article about the color has a capital letter to begin the term, thus "Old gold". Referenced usages appears to refer to that well-known color, but I didn't see them use a capital letter. As this is a more familiar proper noun, and as the term is referenced to internal documentation that neglects either capital letters, I left it be. (Personally I would prefer that "Gold" in this particular name also be capitalized, but in a consensus discussion I lost that battle when it comes to colors. Nor do we capitalize most second and trailing words in subheaders, per MOS.) For colors, at least, this is consistent with other articles we monitor.

Ours is a busy project. Project editors are busy making hundreds of edits a day for the category, as we work for consistency. Jax MN (talk) 22:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)