Talk:Tsarskoye Selo

Pushkin (town) and Tsarskoye Selo

Do you mind explaining why you think they shouldn't be merged? Also, it's not customary to remove merge template minutes after it was posted and it didn't get a chance to get discussed (especially if removed without an explanation). Thanks --dcabrilo 07:15, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

After 30,000+ edits here, I know what is customary and what is not. It is customary to suggest proposed changes on the article's talk (not my own) and see what other editors think. Take care, Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:19, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

First of all... assume good faith, second of all, edit counts only say how many edits you made, third of all, do you mind explaining why you removed the template without giving any chance to settle it on the talk page first? Thanks. P.S. m:Don't be a dick --dcabrilo 07:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't wikilawyer me. I want patience with those editors who, without contributing a single sentence to the text, raise havoc about the naming issues, as if these were the greatest problems with the articles involved. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Merging

Anyway, the articles should be merged because neither is particularly long or complete, and they describe the same town. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. --dcabrilo 07:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC) Also, it would solve interwiki linking confusion. --dcabrilo 07:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I just checked other towns. Titograd points to Podgorica, Leningrad to Saint Petersburg, Stalingrad to Volgograd. But, Singidunum has it's own article, which is fairly developed and talks about the town where Belgrade is today, 2000 years ago. --dcabrilo 07:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't care less about Titograd, really. If you read the page carefully, you would learn that Pushkin (town) consists of several parts. One part is Tsarskoe Selo, the summer residence of Russian royalty which incorporates four parts: Catherine Palace, Catherine Park, Alexander Palace, Alexander Park. Another part of the modern town has been known historically as Sofia (town). Therefore, I think that Pushkin (town), Sofia (town), and Tsarskoe Selo should all have separate articles. If you bothered to check articles on similar palace-towns, you would see that the scheme is employed for Lomonosov, Russia and Oranienbaum, Russia or Potsdam and Sanssouci. Should we merge all these articles too? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dcabrilo! These two shouldn't be merged. It's like merging Moscow Kremlin with Moscow, really. KNewman 11:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion: Putting something along the lines of "Today Tsarskoye Selo is a State Museum-Sanctuary (how the hell do you say музей-заповедник I don't know, nor what that actually entails) within the town of Pushkin" on this page, and "The touristic centre of Pushkin is the palaces of Tsarskoye Selo, which was also the town's former name" in Pushkin. They shouldn't be merged, of course, but I think saying this is valuable as it's not pointed out anywhere that Tsarskoye Selo is a part of Pushkin, and this has to be gotten either from context or from outside sources. This can cause confusion, as it did for User:Dcabrilo. --Marm^(t) 11:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Tsarskoye Selo / Pushkin (town)

• That's my recommendation.
• Also see:
  • http://www.saint-petersburg.com/virtual-tour/pushkin-and-pavlovsk.asp
    • http://www.saint-petersburg.com/profile.asp
      • http://www.saint-petersburg.com/feedback/index.asp
• Frankly, I care because that were Sergei Nilus published his 1905 edition, title transliterated, the Great in the Small, or Great within the Small (my preference). And the appendix to this 2nd or 3rd edition contains, as an appendix, the substance of what eventually becomes the text known as the Bold Protocols of the wise men of Zion text, also known as, inter alia, as the Bold Protocols of the Elders of Zion text.
• Also, do we not need Disambiguation? Yours truly, Ludvikus 01:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

• Tsarskoye Selo/Pushkin" works for me. There is no more a reason to divide them than there is a reason to divide what was the imperial old city of Sank Peterburg from what is today's Sankt Peterburg - a much, much larger place. As for Tsarskoye Selo, it was not limited to the immediate environs of the imperial palace but included the adjoining town.Федоров (talk) 20:31, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't quite agree. This article is supposed to be about the museum complex, while the Pushkin, Saint Petersburg article is about the whole town (and its history). There would, of course, be some duplication between the two (further exacerbated by the fact that the complex has the same name as the town once had), but the concepts are still rather separate, and so is the emphasis. Merging the two article is not unlike merging Hermitage Museum into the article about Saint Petersburg. This article is sufficiently large to stand on its own as it is, and it can (and should) be expanded quite a bit more.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); September 19, 2011; 13:56 (UTC)

Indeed. --Ghirla^-трёп- 16:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

About IPA

IPA: [ˈtsarskəɪ ...] - I think, more correct will be [ˈtsarskɐə ...] 89.163.14.250 (talk) 07:34, 29 December 2015 (UTC)Owl_rus

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Added: Nickname for elite Soviet neighborhoods

During the Soviet Union "the Czar's village" began to be attached to blocks and small neighborhoods that housed the nomenklatura (Soviet elites). These stores were better stocked although they were still effected by the Soviet shortages. The buildings were better designed, constructed and maintained. The neighborhood west of Moscow contained less industry and more parks than any other neighborhood.<ref>Masha Gessen, (2017). [The Future Is History: How Totalitarianism Reclaimed Russia]</ref>

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