Talk:Tsukiji fish market

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According to some tourist books I read, this market is NOT open to the public. Hence I don't understand why it would be a tourist attraction. The neighborhood though is a tourist attraction because there are many restaurants around the area. Some people assume freshness of fish served in restaurants is related to proximity to the fish market which may or may not be true depending on the supplier to the restaurants.

If only traders can get into the market, then the statement about tourist with jet-lag is irrelevant. For example, the NYSE is closed to the tourist, then tourists don't need to visit the stock exchange at business hours because it would make no difference.

The wholesale market is not open to the public, but the surrounding retail market　-- which is very large and is supposedly the best place to get sushi in Tokyo -- is. Exploding Boy 23:44, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

Although I have not personally done so, some of my friends have entered the market to attend the fish auctions. -- Sekicho July 1, 2005 22:40 (UTC)

I have also visited the auctions frequently, and also took some photos at this time. Numerous other tourists were around, and the only restriction we encountered was that we were asked not to use flash for photos since it distracts the auctioneers. -- Chris 73 Talk July 2, 2005 19:37 (UTC)

A permit is not required to witness the auctions at Tsukiji. My wife and I visited the market and watched the fresh and frozen tuna auctions as well as the uni auction on 2 November 2006. We both took photos with the flash disabled but there were several other tourists using their flash. We were told by our guides (former employees at the market) that it traditionally has been an open place and other than an incident in which a tourist apparently touched uni which made that area "off limits" there aren't really any restrictions on visitors as such. We walked all over the place, even in to the building that serves as the market's offices, but the guys we were with obviously were known.

Suggest: addition of ongoing controversy over proposed relocation of this market to another site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.78.11 (talk) 02:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Restrictions

User:DAJFへ。築地市場は訳の分からない外国人が勝手に入ってきて大変なことになっているのです。そもそもforeign visitorsなんて受け入れていません。嘘を書くのは辞めてください。日本人は築地市場の規約をきちんと守っています。122.29.8.202 (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Lies? I have not written anything, but I have reinstated the statement about the market being a popular tourist spot, complete with reference source. I would like to see a reference source supporting the newly added statement that contradicts the sourced details further down in the article which state that tourists are once again allowed to view auctions. --DAJF (talk) 05:07, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Tsukiji fish market → Tokyo Metropolitan Central Wholesale Market — Official name of the market, and fish are not the only things sold there. Sekicho (talk) 08:39, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - Google returns 93,000 hits for "Tsukiji fish market", but only 4,320 hits for "Tokyo Metropolitan Central Wholesale Market". At least in the English world, the market is overwhelmingly known as the Tsukiji fish market, and since this is the English wikipedia, the name should remain as it is. --Epipelagic (talk) 09:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose. The current title does appear to be the most commonly used name, even if it is not the official name, so that is how it should stay here. --DAJF (talk) 01:52, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
• Comment Google hits are flawed as a source of determining the page title, and should not be used as the sole reason for a move. Can we have some examples of what is used in recent English prose? Skinsmoke (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The article in the 7 April issue of The Japan Times immediately springs to mind... The Tsukiji fish market will prevent sightseers from watching its popular frozen tuna auction... --DAJF (talk) 16:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

The article quoted makes it clear that it is the fish market within the Tsukiji Market which is to bar tourists for one month. The article thus shows the opposite to what you are claiming. Skinsmoke (talk) 16:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Google hits can be flawed. But the figures in this case are pretty clear cut, it is not a close call. If you refine the search, similar ratios hold. For example:

	Tsukiji fish market	Tokyo Metropolitan Central Wholesale Market	Ratio
google.com	93,000 hits	4,820 hits	19:1
Google News	20 hits	2 hits	10:1
Google News Archives	810 hits	32 hits	25:1
Google Scholar	155 hits	32 hits	5:1
Google Books	1210 hits	141 hits	9:1
Google Blogs	16,192 hits	65 hits	249:1

--Epipelagic (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• Comment To prove the point of how flawed Google hits are, the first two of the 93,000 hits you quote for Tsukiji fish market are the Wikipedia article we are discussing moving; and the official website which titles itself The Tsukiji Market, with the subtitle Tokyo Metropolitan Central Wholesale Market: the word fish isn't even on the page! The seventh hit is for a restaurant in Honolulu, for heaven's sake! Perhaps a move to Tsukiji Market would be better? Skinsmoke (talk) 16:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. – ukexpat (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Like any statistical approach, Google hits can be used and interpreted in flawed ways. But used sensibly they are a valuable tool. Your points don't "prove" how flawed Google hits are, Skinsmoke. You can, of course, discard the Wikipedia entry, but that still leaves 92,999 hits. And the fact that a restaurant in Honolulu calls itself after the market is further testament to just how famous the name is. But you make a good point about the "Tsukiji Market", particularly since that is the name they apply to themselves. So let's look at Google again, this time including blogs (which I've added to the earlier table above as well), since blogs are a good area for establishing "popular" usage.

	Tsukiji fish market	Tsukiji market
google.com	93,000 hits	38,800 hits	2.4:1
Google News	20 hits	13 hits	1.5:1
Google News Archives	810 hits	340 hits	2.4:1
Google Scholar	155 hits	153 hits	1.0:1
Google Books	1210 hits	942 hits	1.3:1
Google Blogs	16,192 hits	6,378 hits	2.5:1

"Tsukiji fish market" still wins out by about 2:1. I think it is also relevant that the book that was written about the market is called Tsukiji: The Fish Market at the Center of the World, reinforcing that the market's prime claim to fame is that it is the most notable fish market in the world. --Epipelagic (talk) 22:42, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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Infobox?

Would an infobox be helpful, and if so, which one? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:58, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree that an infobox would be helpful. Perhaps the generic infobox building may work the best the best, as the one for building retail market is not for wholesale markets, and there does not seem to be one that fits for food. Netherzone (talk) 15:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)