Talk:Tudor Arghezi

To the author of the page "Tudor Arghezi":

Did you read the article of Sorin Toma in Scanteia,organ of the Communist Party, about Tudor Arghezi in year 1948 or 1949 with the title "Poetry of putrefaction or putrid poetry" ? Then do it! For many years Arghezi fell in disfavour with the communist regime. I.-N. Petrovici

Re: "Poetry of putrefaction or putrid poetry"?

>Did you read the article of Sorin Toma in Scanteia, organ of the Communist Party, about Tudor >Arghezi in year 1948 or 1949 with the title "Poetry of putrefaction or putrid poetry"?

Even encyclopedic entries rely, out of necessity, on generalizations. Arghezi's relationship with and within the Romanian Communist Party is rather complex, filled with ups and downs. If one were inclined to conduct the appropriate research, the resulting information might, perhaps, warrant a Wikipedia entry of its own. Broadly speaking, however, Arghezi did provide a wealth of propagandistic content to early leaders of Communist Romania. That fact is well known and, to a significant degree, resented by a majority of Romanians.

Nonetheless, the point that Arghezi cannot be simply classified as a literary hack client to the Romanian Communist Party is well taken....

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How about his humorous writings? The man had real talent for such things.

Why is stuff like "putrid poetry" always remembered, but stuff like his excellent humoristic stories not remembered?

Re: How about his humorous writings?

It's well worth noting that Arghezi was not, by any stretch of the imagination, a one-note type of author--but, as noted above, he is mostly remembered in light of #1) is devotional pieces #2) his political stances, & then his involvement w/ the Romanian Communist Party and #3) his very popular contributions to children's literature.

If anybody is interested in writing brief commentaries for Arghezi's topical output (for example, reasons as to why his humorous writings are, for the most part, ignored) please do so. I know I look forward to any and all Wikipedia contributions.

This article is (no longer) rubbish

It is incredible that the entry on "one of the foremost writers in Romania" (Encyclopaedia Britannica entry) obsesses over his "collaboration" with the Romanian Communist Party. We'd be better off just putting a link to the EB article on Arghezi.

I does not "obsses", it is in accordance with most assessements. This article is supposed to be complete, and it makes a point of his image in Comunist Romania. Read again, and you will see: that the crude attack of the communists is presented in full detail, including Arghezi's rejection and his period of living in extreme poverty; he is not made himself responsible for what Gheorghiu-Dej thought was an asset, and it is not implied that he Arghezi had become a communist. As usual, the answer to any information that does not ammount to "this Romanian was God incarnate" is a call for censorship... Dahn 23:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Dahn, defining Arghezi through his relationship with the Communist regime is as absurd as defining Hegel as an admirer of Napoleon Bonaparte. Those connections exist, but they are not defining. This article blows out of proportions what should be a mere footnote.

Well, let me see: was Hegel a favorite of Napoleonic propaganda? Was Hegel awarded distinctions by Napoleon's regime? Did Hegel celebrate Napoleon in his philosophy? Don't get me wrong: I respect Arghezi, I don't think that his connections make him "bad". I dislike the tone of the last paragraph of the article as is (after I have remedied its even more prominent POV), but I thought if anyone finds it controversial other than me, he could change it further. However, if you think that it is "a footnote" to stress that most distinctions given to Arghezi were on the basis of his committment to the regime (percieved committment, at the very least)... Frankly, a call for restricting info is absurd on wikipedia (which has by now a comprehensive article on Leonor Varela): if you feel that it is unbalanced with the rest of his life, then add more of the rest (although I don't see how much more you possibly could). Let me add that I respect Arghezi and I do not see his personal ideals as necessarily wrong (nor do I believe that his objective links with the Party should and could be read as part of a blacklist). Dahn 15:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I suggest such issues are restricted to the section on the relationship between Arghezi and the Communist government. But let's not mix politics and poetry. There's a lot more to Arghezi than this issue.

Aren't they already "restricted to the section on the relationship between Arghezi and the Communist government"? Unless you're referring to his works a left-winger in the 1940s, which only sophistry could attribute to "communism". Of course there is more to his life, but that is well-covered. Addition: I cannot for the love of me see why you chose to call the article "rubbish". Dahn 17:57, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It's looking a lot better now. Cheers.

Monk

He was a monk for four years. Monks are not part of the clergy? bogdan 09:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

No, not really. Unless he was a hieromonk (hieromonah) or a deacon. I rather doubt he achieved that position in the space of four years. Dahn 11:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

A poem in romanian and german:

KRANKER CHERUB Mein Engel kann bei tiefem Sich-Versenken Der Seligkeit von ehedem gedenken. Wie bittre Milch und Herlingsbeeren hat Schon im Geschmack er seinen Himmel satt. Und seine Sterne läßt er schon seit langem Nicht als gemalte heilige Barmer prangen; Der Abendwind beschwingt ihn auch nicht mehr Mit seinem Duft von Wein und Öl so schwer; Wiese und Feld, mit Blüte, Frucht und Laub Und Farbe, wurden längst des Winters Raub; Der Lauf der schwarzen Wasser überwallt Von heißem, trägem, schlammigem Asphalt. Wo immer er sein Hapt zur Ruh will legen, Schießt Dornen gleich der Ast und das Gras Nägel. Und seine Kraniche von einstmals ziehn Durch ihren Himmel, aber ohne ihn. Das ewige Leben, sein Spitzbogennest, Sind beide ihm zuwider wie die Pest. Zum ersten Male spürt er, ganz im stillen, Sieht er die Zeit zerbröckeln, Widerwillen. Denn aus dem weißen Leibe keimt herfür Ganz ungeahnt ein irdisches Geschwür. (Alfred Margul-Sperber)

HERUVIM BOLNAV îngerul meu îşi mai aduce-aminte Din fericirile-i de mai nainte. Cerul la gust i-ajunge ca un blid Cu laptele amar şi agurid, Stelele lui nu şi le mai trimite Ca nişte steaguri sfinte zugrăvite, Si vântul serii nu-i mai dă îndemn Cu-aromele-i de vin şi undelemn. Livada, câmpul şi-au pierdut şi floarea Si roadele si frunza si culoarea. Apele negre duc subt cerul cald Nămoluri fierte, grele, de asfalt. Oriunde capul caută să-şi puie Locu-i spinos şi iarba face cuie. Cocorii trec Tăria fără el Si nu-1 mai cheamă zborul lor defel. Viaţa veciei, cuibul din ogivă, Inimii lui ajuns-au deopotrivă, Si-ntâia dată simte, cât de cât, In dumicarea timpului, urât; Căci neştiută-ncepe să-ncolţească Pe trupu-i alb o bubă pământească.

Just felt the need to paste this. I think the german version could be copyrighted. Cheers.

interesting. I have a bilingual English-Romanian anthology of some of his most important poems, published by Princeton University Press. I wonder in how many languages has he been translated so far?--VMSolo 21:19, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

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Mother's ethnicity

Is that true that his mother was an ethnic Hungarian? Fakirbakir (talk) 19:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

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