Talk:Tule Lake National Monument

Article name

Tule Lake is a Lake. Tule Lake War Relocation Center on the otherhand is a Japanese American internment camp. --Crazyjoe 01:57, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

It is entirely possible that there may be POV language in this article, but this should be noted here BEFORE adding the tag. For this reason, ie, lack of justification, I am boldly removing the tag. --Mashford 12:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Using "notorious" to describe Tule Lake might be accurate, but given that this is an encyclopedia, it isn't a very neutral term. It should be replaced with something neutral or removed. -- Gmatsuda 21:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

"Notorious" has been removed. I propose the same for the POV tag (again). Mashford (talk) 19:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

It's still there. :) Tule Lake may very well have been the most "notorious" of the ten camps. However, to say so without anything verifiable to back it up is POV. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 11:14, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I changed "notorious" to "controversial," which is the term used by the Tule Lake Committee history webpage <http://www.tulelake.org/history.html>. I thought it was the most "neutral" word one could use to describe what was essentially a political prisoner camp, given its history of being the place where dissenting internees and anti-internment protesters were sent. I'm now in the process of digging out my old papers and notes re Tule Lake in the hopes I can find better references.Fengxi (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)fengxi

That works. :-) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 02:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

images

The Library of Congress has released a number of PD images [1] [2] [3] onto Flickr that could be uploaded onto this article. Sabine's Sunbird talk 23:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Tossed up the second one.~ (The Rebel At) ~ 00:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

possible copyvio

This article appears to copy a large block of text from http://www.tulelake.org/history.html

I dont have time to rewrite this with the care it deserves, but ... dm (talk) 03:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

added images

I added four images to the article. Feel free to remove some of them if it seems too image-heavy. Really, the 'map' is more for the discussion page than anything. Tedder (talk) 04:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

misleading images

These images are a little misleading. They photos of what was once the CCC Camp in Tulelake. They lie outside the boundary of the main Japanese American Internment Camp. They were briefly used by the camp to house strike breakers (brought in from other internment camps) and 'disloyals' (before the stockade was built). I suggest looking to Densho for images. -- with the exception of the prison, a few warehouses, and administration homes, very little is left of the camp, as the barracks were auctioned off after the camp closed. Aroundtheworlds (talk) 02:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC) aroundtheworlds

I don't know one way or the other, so this is a request, not a challenge...do you have anything to verify your claim? -- Gmatsuda (talk) 02:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

The above poster is correct. The photos are of the Tule Lake POW camp, a former CCC camp. A few Japanese Americans were held there for two brief periods during WWII, but it is not the relocation center. Follow the "National Park Service: Confinement and Ethnicity (Chapter 15)" external link, there are chapters for Tule Lake the relocation center and Tulelake the POW camp. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.167.128.239 (talk) 05:46, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

OK...then someone can go ahead and remove/replace the photos, I guess. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 05:49, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

They were my photos, I removed them. Too bad- that was a long way to go considering I went to the wrong place! tedder (talk) 06:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Per this discussion, I had added coords to the camp. These are incorrect- it's to the wrong camp (is there an article for the "other" camp?). Anyhow, new coords should be added; I added the coords missing template. tedder (talk) 06:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you went to the wrong one! Someday, when all the property rights issues are dealt with, Tule Lake will become some kind of organized historic site, probably a unit of the National Park Service. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 07:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I understand how you could end up at the CCC camp instead of the Internment Camp -- besides a plaque beside the road, there is really no sign of the old camp (very little accessible to the public, practically nothing interpreted). However! All that is about to change -- on Dec. 5th the Tule Lake Segregation Center was made a National Monument in Bush's WWII Valor in the Pacific designations. I imagine it will be a while until the site is accessible to the public, and it's only a small part of the camp -- basically the stockade/motorpool area (only areas that are already owned by the public). There isn't much left of the camp's infrastructure, except the jail - but that building alone tells a very powerful story. Until the new site is operational, Lava Beds does some interpretation. Aroundtheworlds (talk)aroundtheworlds —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC).

Terminology section

I added the Terminology section, and placed it early in the article with the thought that people should know and understand the terminology before getting deeper into the article. It makes no sense to me that they should read the rest of the article without first understanding the terminology. -- Gmatsuda (talk) 04:15, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

This "terminology" thing seems to be one of your major obsessions, and your repeated attempts to raise its visibility borders on advocacy on your part. That's not appropriate for wikipedia. I think it's overdone as it is in this article, and I may very well prune it down in the future. — Myasuda (talk) 12:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Has nothing to do with trying to raise its visibility, and I deeply resent the accusation. It's about providing readers the information they need. It has all that detail because the section was attacked by those who believe "concentration camp" should be reserved for the Nazi camps, but do whatever you wish, even though I still believe it makes no sense to allow a reader to go through an article without an understanding of the terminology used, only to find out about it afterwards. Despite all this, I have little time these days to argue this kind of stuff, so please, as I said earlier, feel free to do as you wish. I'm not very likely to bother with it anymore (notice that I didn't revert your edit, despite the fact that I disagree with it?) -- Gmatsuda (talk) 01:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

expanding History section

There isn't a whole lot of information on the context of the loyalty questionnaire and renunciation/repatriation, and the info on the segregation/relocation center itself is pretty basic, so I am adding some details. MartinaDee (talk) 23:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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