Talk:Tumbbad/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 21:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

I will take this article on for review. Mujinga (talk) 21:59, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Initial comments

I enjoyed reading through the article and there are no indications for an immediate fail, so I will work on the review, although I don't think I will get it all done tonight. Yashthepunisher I see there have been some possibly unhelpful recent edits so it would be worth checking them. For example, the latest one was vandalism and I reverted it.

Thank you for taking up this review Mujinga. I have resolved your issues raised below. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Great thanks for the fast response, later on today I'll check your replies and carry on the review, I'll ping you when I do so Mujinga (talk) 08:33, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Lead

I will come back to this last.

• period horror film may be better as 'horror film and historical period drama'
• Starring Shah in the lead role as Vinayak Rao, it follows the story of his search for a hidden treasure in 20th century Maharashtra. Shah should be Sohum Shah to avoid confusion. It would be good to have a couple more sentences on the film's story.

I mostly see the lead of other film article's mentioning the story in a one-liner form. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:10, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I also looked around and thought another sentence would help but it's not a pass/fail issue Mujinga (talk) 11:21, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

• Pankaj Kumar served as the director of photography while Sanyukta Kaza was its editor. Jesper Kyd composed the original score while Ajay-Atul composed one song - this would be better at the end of the second paragraph

Plot

• I would say this section is a bit too long overall. It is well written but the last paragraph contains too much details. We don't need to know all the twists but we do need to know what happens, so I would suggest the last paragraph is compressed, maybe also broken into two paragraphs.

Removed several bits from the last para. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• but the goddess saved him on the condition that he could never be worshipped and would be forgotten by history - this needs expanding a bit to explain how Hastar ends up in the goddess' womb

This hasn't been explained in the film, but I have added one sentence about it. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

thanks, it's clearer now! Mujinga (talk) 17:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• Vinayak's mother serves the local lord, Sarkar, in his mansion. - is this also happening in 1947? It's not clear to me [edit - ah yes a source says the action is in 1918]

hmm so you edited it to 1981, which i guess was a typo, now someone edited it to 1881, but the sources i'm reading say 1918! Mujinga (talk) 17:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Fixed now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:11, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• Vinayak and his brother Sadashiv worry about having to feed the monstrous old woman who is their grandmother chained in a separate room. if i understand this right, this is not happening in Sarkar's mansion but in the house where Vinayak, Sadashiv and their mother live, so then I would suggest something like Meanwhile at their home, Vinayak and his brother Sadashiv worry about having to feed the monstrous old woman who is their grandmother chained up in a separate room
• and the mother proposes leaving Tumbbad for Pune - this is the first time Tumbbad is mentioned, but I don't what it is... presumably a place, so i would suggest a first sentence which contextualises where the film takes place, ie Tumbbad, Maharashtra.
• She ultimately explains that the well - what well? it hasn't been mentioned before

Tweaked a bit. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• i don't think it's necessary to wikilink dolls / loincloth / opium
• Sergeant Cooper pressures Raghav ... descending into Hastar's well - this is too much detail

I think the 'descending Hastar' bit I important, since it's linked to Raghav's death. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:18, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

thanks for the edit, your pruning of the paragraph has made it much more readable! Mujinga (talk) 17:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• Pandurang is told not to bring the dough doll down the well as it is just practice. - I'm confused by the phrase just practice, indeed maybe this sentence isn't needed at all
• While his father is only concerned with escaping ... Pandurang climbs back to the surface. - too much detail here also

Cast

• Although it isn't a must, since a lot of the cast don't have their own wikipages I'd be happy if this section was referenced to imdb or another similar site.

IMDb is not considered a RS and I can't find any such source. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

yes true about IMDB, thanks for checking Mujinga (talk) 17:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• I checked the cast using imdb, it credits two twins who aren't mentioned here, should they be included? Also it refers to Sgt Cooper which would be appropriate here since he was Sergeant Cooper in the plot section

I don't think they were crucial to the story. Fixed the Sergeant bit. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Production

Development

• Rahi Anil Barve - it's worth adding he is the director again here (for people like me who have already forgotten!)
• Actually here is probably the place to resolve how many directors there were: This says only Rahi Anil Barve, right now the lead says directed by debutant Rahi Anil Barve and co-directed by Adesh Prasad plus Anand Gandhi, who also served as the creative director and imdb says Rahi Anil Barve with Anand Gandhi (creative director) and Adesh Prasad (co-director)

Barve is the director and Adesh Prasad is the co-director. Anand Gandhi is not in the direction team. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• "which made him crap his pants" and "utterly bland, mundane and forgettable". are direct quotes and should have the reference after them (currently number5). Also the fullstop should be before the quotes, this happened a few times in this section and should be corrected.
• He realised, - no comma needed
• Sohum Shah gained eight kilograms (eighteen pounds) for the role - Shah can be wikilinked again here. The lead should be summarising the body so there should be another sentence here stating Shah plays the main role of Vinayak.
• after hearing the story - i would suggest to add for the first time after this
• He found it similar to Baital Pachisi and Panchatantra - i watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFPEETv6phc but I didn't hear this

From 00:12 to 00:15. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

ah ok so it's in hindi. maybe you can add the time stamp with |time= Mujinga (talk) 17:32, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• first half - source says first half hour
• Gandhi and Mitesh should be Gandhi and Mitesh Shah

Filming and post-production

• The film has minimal dialogue and was shot with constant physical movement with few cuts - second time this sentence is used, it's better here so the first one can be deleted
• Since there are two Shahs, it will be better to use full names to avoid confusion
• After the editing, Barve and Shah realised the film was "not able to achieve what it set out to do". - missing citation
• He said - better Barve said
• where no human had ventured for at least a 100 years - following MOS:SIC i would change 100 to hundred

ok stopping here for now Mujinga (talk) 00:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• After the editing, Barve and Shah realised the film was "not able to achieve what it set out to do". - no this isn't from ref3, now i see it's from ref16 -https://variety.com/2018/film/asia/dark-fantasy-tumbbad-opens-venice-critics-week-1202921510/

this section has become a bit garbled, i wondered if i was just getting tired yesterday but the progression doesn't make sense today either.. so i would suggest that After the editing, Barve and Shah realised the film was "not able to achieve what it set out to do". is moved to directly in front of It was then re-written and re-shot and the filming completed in May 2015

• Ah this is interesting! Tumbbad actually exists (i thought it was fictional) and has a wikipedia page - Tumbbad, Maharashtra. Obviously it should be wikilinked here but I'm also wondering about the naming convention here. I'm not sure which is the primary topic. It is a very remote village apparently so perhaps the status quo is ok.

Further, links from Times of India and Statesman on Tumbbad, Maharashtra suggest filming was carried out there in the village and fort so this information definitely needs adding in here.

Added and wikilinked. The film's article must be the primary topic, since the article about the namesake village was created after the film was released. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• Shah wore the typical attire worn by Konkanasth Brahmans in Maharashtra. - need to specify Sohum Shah otherwise we might be talkign about the other Shah. As before, i think it's better to always identify each Shah fully. Also better to wikilink Kokanastha Brahmins
• wikilink Mumbai
• "consumed by earth" - since it's a direct quote maybe add the timestamp
• Filmi Vast should be Film i Väst
• The film was produced by Filmi Vast and Filmgate Films along with Eros International and Aanand L. Rai's Colour Yellow Productions - source says Tumbbad is an Eros International and Aanand L Rai's presentation and a Little Town Films production in association with Colour a Yellow Productions. Co-produced by Filmi Väst and Filmgate Films so can you clarify that?

Eros and Rai's Colour Yellow have helped the film in getting released. They are the distributors, but Rai is also credited as one of the producer. Little Town films is Shah's company which financed this film. Filmi Vast and Filmgate are the co-producers. I know it sounds confusing right! Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• I'm noticing there's a lot of both ." and ". in the article. So I would suggest searching through and changing to one form. I tried and failed to see what is the Indian English standard. British English would be the form ." as per MOS:INOROUT

Fixed now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Music

• Would it be worth saying the title song was sung in Hindi?

Release

• It was also screened at: the 2018 Fantastic Fest, Sitges Film Festival, the Screamfest Horror Film Festival, the El Gouna Film Festival, 23rd International Film Festival of Kerala, Morbido Film Fest, Brooklyn Horror Film Festival and Nitte International Film Festival.[33][34][35][36][37][38][39] - would be great if the festivals were referenced in sequence, right now it's a bit garbled. Also Morbido isn't mentioned I think and the Brooklyn ref should be https://screenanarchy.com/2018/09/brooklyn-horror-2018-1-gallery.html instead of https://screenanarchy.com/2019/01/j-hurtados-13-favorite-indian-films-of-2018-gallery.html - EDIT i see morbido and brooklyn mentioned in the link now, you have to scroll through the images
• Anand L. Rai should be Aanand L. Rai. And where was the screening? The source also doesn't say.

Tweaked the sentence. The date isn't mentioned in the source. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

• It was released on 12 October 2018 on 575 screens maybe better to say Tumbbad was released in India on 12 October 2018 on 575 screens - also the source makes it seem that 575 is a low number, but to me it seems huge. What would be normal?

It's a relatively low number as most big budget Indian films release between 600-800 screens. But 575 is a huge number for a film like Tumbbad. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:17, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Reception

Critical response

• For some reason the Baradwaj Rangan link redirects to a different article (https://www.filmcompanion.in/article-15-cinematographer-ewan-mulligan-interview-on-framing-visceral-hanging-scene-ayushmann-khurrana-movie)
• Padmaavat (2018) - doesn't need the (2018)
• The atmosphere, landscape, and themes in 'Tumbbad' are accentuated by a sense of Gothic dread and an eerie expectancy of the diabolical Following MOS:SIC I would change 'Tumbbad' to Tumbbad and the ref title from "'Tumbbad'review: the demons of the mind" to "'Tumbbad' review: the demons of the mind"

stopping here again Mujinga (talk) 19:55, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Yashthepunisher barring problems i'll finish the review over the weekend Mujinga (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• Overall, having read Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Film#Critical_response and looked at other film good articles, this section needs a bit of work. The quotes need to be contextualised a bit, perhaps by being explicitly split into home reception and international, or indeed first reactions from Venice. Perhaps some of the lesser reviews can be discarded. For example i don’t think Mike McNulty adds much. Also, Lee Marshall and Barkan seem to be the only critical reviews and they both focus on the middle section, this should be drawn out.

Split the section. The international reviewers add to the balance. Removed McNulty but I feel Marshall, Barkan and the rest of them are critics from reputed magazines/websites. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:22, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

That looks better now nice one! Mujinga (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Box office

• All good

Awards

• Gajjar Parth won the Best visual effects and the Best Film award at the Screamfest International Film Festival. this is a bit garbled, should be something like: Tumbbad won the Best Film award at the Screamfest International Film Festival and Gajjar Parth won for Best Visual Effects

References

• Just a few issues mentioned above

External links

• All good

Image

• Fine

Infobox

• Filmi Vast should be Film i Väst, as above
• Very minor but we have FilmGate here and Filmgate in the text

Overall comments

• This was a good read and can become a good article with some tweaks. I’ve outlined what needs to be done above (including the lead) and I’m confident it can be done. As a final bonus point, there’s a Daily Hunt ref already in the article which mentions and plenty of others talking about a possible sequel, so perhaps a sentence or two would be worth adding about that. I’ll put the article on hold for seven days.
• Yashthepunisher back to you! Mujinga (talk) 11:02, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Mujinga Your queries have been resolved. Some of them have been addressed above. Please take a look and again, thanks for taking up this review. Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

great, I'll get to this later today or (more likely) tomorrow Mujinga (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I've read through the article and I thank Yashthepunisher for the improvements. I've made a few minor changes myself and I'm satisfied to pass this as good article now. Congratulations! Mujinga (talk) 11:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Mujinga Once again, thank you so much for the review! Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)