Talk:Turk Broda

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Heritage

Turk Broda's father's name was Kazimierz, only a Polish or Lithuanian name! As a Polish -Canadian who grew up amongst a much larger Ukrainian community I've never heard an Ukrainian named Kazimierz. Kazimierz and Stanislaw are the two most common Polish Christian names because both are Polish Roman Catholic Saints; it would be sacreligous for an Ukrainian Greek - Catholic to give that name to their child! Walter "Turk" Broda's brother's name was Stan, the other most popular Polish christian name! Walter's relatives have written into websites that state he's Polish and his relative writers have never said he was Ukrainian! Stan and Kaz are Roman Catholic Saints (Polish), some flickin hunch, you people are being dupped!205.200.78.196 (talk) 14:54, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

...and Walter is an extremely popular Ukrainian name, so two can play this guessing game. If you have sources of his "relatives" claiming something, back it up. At the moment, it seems you're the one being duped.--Львівське (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

So its a cited primary source vs. your hunch? You'll have to do better than 'you think his father's name sounds Polish'. --Львівське (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

My paternal grandmother was a Broda, Turk's cousin, she was of Polish descent but did herself marry a Ukranian, Fred Kasurak, and went on to live in Brandon Manitoba, a largely Ukranian community until moving to Detroit Mich. & then Windsor Ont. where this branch of our family still resides. Therefore, I think it is very safe to say that Turk Broda was of Polish heritage... .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.114.251 (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

The Ukrainian Weekly in 1947, a popular ukrainian-American newspaper, reported Turk Broda, Wally Stanowski, and Bill Ezinicki were PART Ukrainian, but did not consider themselves Ukrainian. I know for a fact that all three had at least POLISH fathers, Wally was referred to in Winnipeg as the Polished Pole, Bill's people went to a Polish Church and were buried in a Polish cemetary, and Walter (a much more common Polish first name than Ukrainian ( Wladyslaw ) had a father named Kazimierz, a non -Ukrainian name and a brother named Stan, the most common Polish first name. My Dad's cousins were good friends to the Ezinicki girls who told them they were Polish. Wikipedia you are looking foolish on this one. Like most Polish-Canadian boys of Turk's generation, he identifies with his Dad. I don't know what ethnic group his mother came from. Looking at her maiden name, it could be ukrainian or Polish. 50.72.217.7 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC) roda

Stan Obodiac was a Polish-Canadian, so it seems his saying Turk Broda was Ukrainian is gospel! My Dad who was 100 % Polish and of distinguished Polish noble descent, whose ancestors were more east of the majority of most Ukrainian-Canadians was horrified when a Polish neighbour who came from central Poland made him feel like an outsider. Dad had to defend himself against Ukrainian kids in his area who resented him speaking his ancestoral tongue of Polish. What I'm saying on a first hand basis, Dad whose family descended from Polish noble patriots who moved east, were considered by some central Poles as non Polish! This incident sickened me as noble Poles who immigrated to the east borders, amongst Ukrainian and other ethnic Poles, gave up their lives to defend this constantly attacked area.```` Dad's Polish neighbour made him feel outside the Polish mainstream. As a kid I felt anger over this absurdity, Dad's people were Polish patriots who gave their lives defending Poland's eastern border. As a Polish- Canadian I am proud of Stan Obodiac but understand his point of view (don't agree with it). ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.72.212.111 (talk) 15:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

There seems to be a dispute. On one hand we have a book on Ukrainian Canadians about a Ukrainian Canadian, citing a primary source verification and noting that the Polish rumors were untrue. On the other we have a book on Polish Americans with no page number or physical verification. The latter book was published in 2011, the former 1983, but this shouldn't matter seeing as Broda died in '72. Canadian primary source > off-topic discussion in an American Polish book. --Львівське (говорити) 03:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Off-topic discussion? If the Polish American Encyclopedia is off-topic, how is the citation you provided to an encyclopedia entry somehow "primary"? Furthermore, when did Obodiac dispel these "Polish rumors"? 1983, after Broda's death?--Pola.mola (talk) 03:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

why is a Ukrainian Canadian mentioned in a book about Polish Americans? That would make it off topic. Czuboka is the author who mentioned the false rumor in a chapter with a very deep history on Broda's early life, Obodiac is the primary source who verified he wasn't Polish.--Львівське (говорити) 03:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Are you opposed to having Canadians in American history books? Where would Justin Beiber go? If an American encyclopedia wrote about him, you would be immediately dismissive and call that "off-topic?" Don't lose sight of the fact that there are NHL games in the U.S.Pola.mola (talk) 03:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

How on earth does playing games in the US make him a Polish American? This is a guy who spent his entire career in Toronto, mind you. Wikipedia isn't a place for rumors, but verifiable facts.--Львівське (говорити) 04:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I am not arguing that he is a Polish American. He was a Polish Canadian. Canadian sources say so. Polish American hockey fans, and Polish American non-fans, understandably looked to him as one of their own. The mission statement of the Polish American Sports hall of Fame aligns with that, and does not disqualify a Canadian. News articles, books, and the modern Polish American encyclopedia have consistently and reliably stated he was of Polish descent. I understand Canada's dominance in hockey, and I do understand that the league is binational. But, to many Americans, the NHL is an American sport, and the contribution of Turk Broda certainly has impact in the U.S.Pola.mola (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Polish ancestry

Why delete the contemporary references stating that he was Polish? He was listed as Polish alongside 3 other players in that article I cited.Pola.mola (talk) 21:03, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Contemporary? The newspaper clipping you cited from the 50s was a textbook example of how these things were reported incorrectly in this period, as Pete Langelle is also Ukrainian, not Polish. --Львівське (говорити) 21:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Again, why delete the source? The fact is, he was cited repeatedly as ethnically Polish, and was referenced as such for his entire career and even after, culminating in his award by the Polish American Sports Hall of Fame and most recently, in the Polish American Encyclopedia. If his contemporaries listed him as Polish again and again, he may very well have been ethnically Polish, or part Polish-Ukrainian, and I think that is significant. He could also have been a Polonized Ukrainian, identifying as Polish until later learning his family's Ukrainian ancestry, or conversely, been from an eastern Polish family that became part of Ukraine. I would like to know what the Ukrainian encyclopedia you referenced before stated, given that you said it went "deep into his childhood".Pola.mola (talk) 23:18, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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