Talk:Turkish Airlines Flight 452

Crash report

Note for the future: the Turkish Government has no idea where the final report of this crash is. ~Styyx^Talk? 20:42, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Aintabli (talk · contribs) 21:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm excited to review this. Aintabli (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Everything looks good.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Everything aligns with the guidelines.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Sources vary from known news sites from Turkey, nonprofit organizations, aviation magazines, and books by aviation magazine editors.
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	Could not notice any issues. Not much room for bias.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Definitely stable. The article even stayed unedited for long periods.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	There is a total of two images, one is a map that is the work of an editor and is used in countless other articles, the copyright holder of the other image has emailed Wikimedia approving its publication.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	They are all relevant to the topic. There could be more photos, for example that of the wreckage, but a quick search didn't result in much that could easily be transferred to Wikimedia, so limitations are evident. But any additions with valid licenses would be welcome.
	7. Overall assessment.

Sources

@Styyx A book by Kerem Gök is used as source in various parts of the article, but he appears to be a YouTuber. Would you consider him reliable and can you provide anything that would justify the inclusion of his book? Aintabli (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aintabli, he used to be a writer/journalist for a few car/aircraft-related magazines prior to his YouTube career. He was a jury for one of those Red Bull airshows, though I don't know if that means much. Also, as far as I know, Kanon Kitap isn't vanity press. Styyx (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2023 (UTC) Failed ping Aintabli

I found a mention of him and his book here in a book, whose author after a quick search, appears to be an assistant professor in aviation at Balıkesir University. I don't currently see much reason to not include this source. Aintabli (talk) 16:57, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks

• TC-JBH was named Antalya, the destination of the flight. Verified.
• After being told by the pilots that they had the runway in sight, the controller at Antalya notified them that he couldn't see them. First officer Soğangöz responded: "should I believe you, or my eyes?" Captain Topçuoğlu, who was in the passenger cabin, came back to the cockpit after realizing that something was wrong and gave full throttle. Verified, but @Styyx, the source includes considerable content that wasn't added. For example, Captain Topçuoğlu gave the plane full throttle after realizing that something was wrong. "Something was wrong" by itself is very vague. The source (ref 7) mentions that the captain gave full throttle after noticing the mountains. It also includes a lot more detail on the accident. The plane's right wing collapses as it hits the slopes of the nearby mountain, and the plane then bounces towards the other side of the valley, hitting the hill called "Karatepe".
• In 2009, parts of the plane were still found at the crash site. This may be a slight exaggeration, because the source refers to "signs" of the crash, small bits of metal, clothes, carpet, etc.
• As of July 2023, the crash is the deadliest aviation accident to occur in Turkey. In ref 2, does "worst accident" mean the "most fatal", because the site lists it as the "23rd fatal accident" but also the "4th worst accident", so "worst accident in Turkey" may not mean the deadliest. This page from the same site lists all the accidents from Turkey, among which this crash has the most fatalities, so I believe it may be more appropriate to cite this one instead.Aintabli (talk) 17:58, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

That is for the aircraft type (Boeing 727). It is the 23rd fatal accident of the type, and 4th worst, which is most fatal. The box below that one is for the country. Styyx (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

• This led them to believe that the city lights of Isparta were from Antalya. Verified.
• While most bodies of Italian victims were sent to Italy, 18 of the Italian passengers were buried at a local cemetery. Verified. Looks good. Aintabli (talk) 21:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Copy

• the system of Antalya Airport informing the pilots of their distance to the airport @Styyx, do you know the term for this, because this is too wordy?

You wouldn't believe it... Distance measuring equipment.

• I have also made some changes in the article. Feel free to reach out if there's a problem you noticed. Aintabli (talk) 08:41, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
• @Styyx, I have made the final edits. I suggest you go over the article once more, then I will pass this article. Notify me when you're done or there's a problem you noticed. Aintabli (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2023 (UTC)