Talk:Ty Herndon/GA1

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Reviewer: Mike Christie (talk · contribs) 14:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll review this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 14:19, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Images are appropriately tagged, but if you can find a link to replace the one on File:Diamond Rio USAF.jpg to show that the picture was taken by a government employee that would be good. Not required for GA. Earwig reveals no problems.

• What makes the following reliable sources?
  • gazettereview.com -- it has a long list of staff writers, which must mean nearly all of them are not employees, so I suspect user-contributed stories. That would be OK if we can find clear evidence of editorial control.
  • theboot.com -- our dab page says it's a blog
  • countryuniverse.net -- describes itself as a blog

Swapped out Gazette and Boot sources. Country Universe has a writing team that includes contributors to other reliable sources such as Slant Magazine, and both Jonathan Keefe and Kevin John Coyne are credited as editors in various articles.

Coyne's bio says he's an educator which doesn't really help. Can you point me at some of his contributions to Slant? Slant is reliable, so if he is publishing articles on country music there that would help. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Keefe has written for Slant, which can be proven here. Country Universe also has Alanna Conaway as a writer, and she has formerly written for Billboard and Country Weekly. These have been enough to make Country Universe a RS in the past.

That would work if Keefe were the writer here, but I don't think that's enough for Coyne. I'll post a query at WT:ALBUMS and ping you to it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:56, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• What's the value of FN 12, "Search results for Ty Herndon" in RPM? Both citations seem to just support chart positions. If these are citations to the magazine itself they should say so; all this does is show Herndon was mentioned in those issues, as far as I can see.

• That is the intent, to support the chart positions. RPM doesn't have a unified search the way Billboard does and that's the most effective workaround.

  Sorry, I don't follow. For example, one of the two uses of the RPM citation is to support "The song went to number one on the Billboard Hot Country Songs charts in the United States and the former RPM country music charts in Canada." The first two pages have a couple of dozen links to "Country Singles" top 100 charts. I clicked on all of them and reached pages like this; none of them have "What Matters Most" at number 1. What am I doing wrong? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• No idea why it's not working for you. I swapped this out by citing the individual charts. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

  Me neither, but that did it. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:53, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• Not required for GA, but FN 15 is to newspapers.com; if you have access you can turn this into a "clipping" which will allow non-subscribers to see the source too. The same applies to FN 7.
• You have three citations to "Whitburn, p. [xx]", which isn't enough for a reader to find the source. I assume these all refer to FN 1, Hot Country Songs, but we should include enough information in the citation to let the reader find it without having to search other citations.
• 'Herndon described the title track as autobiographical, while in comparison, while "All Night Tonight" came from Davis and Halbig wanting to write a "beach song".' Two "while"s in a row; not sure what the intended meaning is here.
• When you mention the hiatus from recording, I think it would be relevant to mention his struggles with drugs, alcohol, and depression, which are currently only mentioned in the personal life section. Until I got to that section I assumed he just lost interest in music, so I think not mentioning it is a bit misleading.
  • Think I fixed everything else up here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Spotchecks:

• FN 57 cites "Many of the songs on House on Fire, including the title track, are about the stigmas that Herndon felt he faced as a gay man in country music, typically a more conservative genre. He also credited conversations with country singer Chely Wright, who came out as a lesbian in 2010, with giving him the confidence to come out." Verified.
• FN 20 cites "The music video for "What Mattered Most" was aired on CMT and the former TNN (The Nashville Network). Herndon promoted the album further by starting a tour in 1995." Verified.
• FN 13 cites "The song was added to the playlists of 133 stations on the Billboard survey in its first week of release, breaking a record set by Tracy Lawrence for the most additions to country playlists in one week by a new artist." Mostly verified (using this archive link but I don't see any mention of Billboard; am I missing something?
• FN 21 cites 'An uncredited review published by Billboard was favorable, stating, "With a rich, expressive voice that is equally suited to pensive ballads and rollicking, uptempo tunes, Herndon is one of country's most impressive newcomers."' Verified.
• FN 7 cites "When his tenure on Star Search proved commercially unsuccessful, Herndon attempted to secure a recording contract in Nashville. He told The Tennessean in 1995 that multiple labels rejected him as they considered him a "pretty boy". Despite this, he found work singing jingles for Pepsi and Dodge, as well as demo tracks for other artists. He lost a significant amount of money due to an unfavorable management deal, which led to his mother having to sell her house in order to refinance the amount of money lost. In addition, Herndon's father died of a brain haemorrhage, putting further strain on both him and his family." Verified.
• FN 49 cites "The album was nominated at the 53rd Grammy Awards for Grammy Award for Best Southern, Country or Bluegrass Gospel Album." Verified.

-- Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 15:47, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Mike Christie: I think I fixed all the major issues addressed. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:45, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

  A couple of things left -- the Whitburn cites are still not in a format that a reader can use to verify, and I've left a couple of replies above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 22:26, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

• @Mike Christie: Think I got everything now. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

  @Mike Christie: Given that the Country Universe source is up for debate, I removed it pending further discussion about its reliability. This should be the only other obstacle before the article is passed, right? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

  Yes, that was it. Of course if consensus emerges that Coyne is reliable, put it back in. Passing. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)