Talk:Types Riot

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DateProcessResult
May 13, 2021Good article nomineeListed
June 5, 2021Guild of Copy EditorsCopyedited
June 25, 2021Peer reviewNot reviewed
August 15, 2021Featured article candidatePromoted
Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 8, 2021.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that on June 8, 1826, rioters destroyed William Lyon Mackenzie's printing press in the Types Riot?
On this day... Facts from this article were featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 8, 2022, and June 8, 2024.
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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk18:13, 2 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • ... that on June 8, 1826, rioters destroyed William Lyon Mackenzie's printing press in the Types Riot? Source: "On 8 June 1826, young members of the Family Compact raided William Lyon Mackenzie’s York office, smashing his printing press" (Davis-Fisch) "Just after six o’clock on the evening of June 8, 1826, a number of young men broke into Mackenzie’s house,where his printing press was located." (Sewell 60)
    • ALT1:... that William Lyon Mackenzie used the money he won at the Types Riot trial to fund his first election campaign? Source: "the money was used to reestablish the Colonial Advocate in 1827, and to ironically fund his first election bid in July 1828" (Schrawers 85)
    • ALT2:... that the Types Riot was called "the most important debate in Upper Canadian legal history"? Source: "The Types Riot and its aftermath are the focal point of the most important debate in Upper Canadian legal history" (Wilton)

Converted from a redirect by Z1720 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:18, 28 April 2021 (UTC).Reply


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   I dropped two {{cn}}s which should be fairly easy to fix, and one {{clarify}}. The request for clarification is for the phrase "… for trespassing in a civil suit". Do you mean the lawsuit was for trespass? Verified all the hooks except for the Sewell quote which I couldn't find online, but that's independently verified by Davis-Fisch so no problem there. Flagging that the Wilton source for alt2 is from doi:10.2307/743957, not her later book. My favourite hook is alt 1, followed by alt0. Fantastic work on this! I'm not sure if it's possible to pick 8 June as a date, so flagging that for the promoter. AleatoryPonderings (???)<(!!!) 03:10, 29 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi AleatoryPonderings, yes the sentences you tagged with cn were verified by the citation at the end of the paragraph; I added citations regardless to make sure there was no confusion. The "trespassing" info is unimportant and would take too much time and effort to explain, so I removed it. Sorry about the Wilton source, I put the wrong year. For June 8, I will move it to the "Special occasion holding area" if this DYK nom is approved. Z1720 (talk) 19:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)Reply
  Thanks, Z1720. All looks good to me now :) AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 19:58, 29 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Types Riot/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Tkbrett (talk · contribs) 16:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello again. I thought I'd have a crack at this one. Just a heads up that, as this is my first GA Review, I plan on following the recommendation and sending my review along to one of the good article mentors before I finish it. Tkbrett (✉) 16:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):   d (copyvio and plagiarism):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  

Lead

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  • "The Types Riot was the..." -> "The Types Riot refers to the..."

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  • I think the Family Compact are important enough to be mentioned in the opening sentence, probably as "... printing press and movable type by members of the Family Compact on June 8, 1826..."

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  • "... assumed the event was sanctioned by the Upper Canadian government" can be made active as "assumed the Upper Canadian government sanctioned the event."

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  • "Historians identified..." -> "Historians identify"

  Done

Background

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Planning

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  • This section is too short to justify its own heading (MOS:OVERSECTION: "Very short sections and subsections clutter an article with headings and inhibit the flow of the prose. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading.") Consider joining it in the next section.

  Done merged "Planning" and "Riots"

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  • "was approached by members of the Family Compact" -> "members of the Family Compact approached"

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Riots

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Buidhe commented on this below that it should stay lowercase, so I won't change it right now (although I would support changing MOS for capitalisation)

I've gone ahead and struck this critique. See below. Tkbrett (✉) 18:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  Done

  • "two powerful administrators": seems a bit wishy washy to me. Is it possible to be more specific than "powerful"?

I changed to "high-ranking"

Good. Tkbrett (✉) 18:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • "spectators were gathered" -> "spectators gathered"

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  • "the passion of the rioters was displayed without restraint" -> "the rioters displayed their passion without restraint"

  Done

Immediate aftermath

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  • "thrown Mackenzie into the bay": you refer to it as Toronto Harbour earlier, so your readers won't know that it is also called Toronto Bay

I know that the bay is called "Toronto Bay" today, but I cannot verify what the name of the bay was at that time, nor what William Jarvis called it. Sources keep referring to it as "the bay".

Yes, in retrospect I think it makes sense in context. Tkbrett (✉) 18:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Lieutenant-Governor is capitalized here, whereas it wasn't in the Planning section

  Done

Civil trial

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  • MOS:OVERSECTION again here for the subsections that are only a paragraph long (Pre-trial, Defendant's case, Jury deliberations)

  Done I created a "Trial details" and "Arguments and jury deliberations" sections

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  • "Mackenzie was represented by Marshall Spring Bidwell" -> "Marshall Spring Bidwell represented Mackenzie"

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  • "Christopher Alexander Hagerman represented the defendants"

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  • "Only eleven of the summoned men came to serve on the jury." This sentence confused me. Does it mean that sixteen men were summoned and only eleven showed up, or does it mean that of the sixteen summoned five were later eliminated, leaving eleven.

Of the sixteen men that were summoned, only eleven showed up. I tried to rephrase to make this clearer. Z1720 (talk) 16:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Good. Tkbrett (✉) 18:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • "Hagerman's address to the jury was printed in the Upper Canada Herald and totalled 4400 words" -> "The Upper Canada Heraldprinted Hagerman's address to the jury, totalling 4400 words

  Done with slight rephrase

  • "William Lyon Mackenzie's conduct" -> "Mackenzie's conduct"

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Civil trial aftermath

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  • "Jarvis's wife Mary was surprised with the low amount that was awarded to Mackenzie." -> "The low amount awarded to Mackenzie surprised Jarvis's wife, Mary."

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  • "lieutenant governor" -> however you want to standardize it

  Done

Criminal trial

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  Done

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References

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  • Copyvio score is a good 11.5%
  • Checking print sources available on Google Books as well as JSTOR journal articles indicates the info is properly sourced.

Images

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Templates have been added to all three images, per suggestions above and by Buidhe below. Z1720 (talk) 16:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Good. Tkbrett (✉) 18:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Final comments and verdict

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  On hold until the above points are addressed. I've reached out to a GA mentor to look over my shoulder. Tkbrett (✉) 20:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • This GA review looks very thorough to me. The only issue I see is that you are asking for the article to follow the Canadian government style instead of MOS. Unless the Canadian government style guide is adopted by consensus, then MOS:CAPS would apply. Judging from NGRAMS there is co consistent capitalization of the word "indigenous", so it should stay in lowercase. (t · c) buidhe 13:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Also, PD-old-assumed is NOT a US PD tag and states explicitly, "You must also include a United States public domain tag to indicate why this work is in the public domain in the United States." So this image will need a different US PD tag; PD-1996 should work. (t · c) buidhe 14:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)Reply