Talk:Typhoon Tip/Archive 1

Archive 1

Mislinked link?

Cyclone Tracy may not point where it's supposed to. Disambiguation may be in order.

No. Jdorje 02:59, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

So the graphic, claiming "Cyclone Tracy" is the smallest cyclone on record, should point to a Category 4 storm? That makes no sense. Sachmet 18:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It seems absurd that Cyclone Tracy is the smallest tropical cyclone on record, but read the pictures source (in the Tropical Cyclone Size) section. Size does not mean the same thing as intensity.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand your complaint. Yes, Tracy was a Cat 4. Yes, Tracy was tiny. These two concepts are not incompatible. --Golbez 18:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Lowest Pressure

The box on the right says "870 mbar (Lowest non-tornadic pressure ever recorded on Earth)", but I'm not aware of any pressures actually recorded in tornadoes. They may well be lower in tornadoes than in hurricanes, but no one knows for sure yet. And even so, they haven't been recorded, so I am removing the sentence.

But ... it's true. It's the lowest non-tornadic pressure. And if we don't know what pressures are in tornadoes, that doesn't change that - it's kind of a disclaimer because it might not be the lowest. --Golbez 11:41, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Assessment/Importance

Why is Tip mid-importance? Despite its lack of impact, it's the most intense tropical cyclone ever recorded. Surely that's deserving of high-importance? --Coredesat talk. ^_^ 19:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Not only the most intense, but the largest. I agree. This article should be improved drastically; it's a very important topic. -Runningonbrains 21:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 23:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm tempted to reduce it to stub-class simply because of its lack of organization and content. I'm going to leave it as a very, very low start, since it at least has all the sections. --Coredesat talk. o_O 19:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I've redone it. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks good. I think it's B-class now. --Coredesat 22:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

New pic

I hope you like it. The NHC had 2 versions-this one was better. The old one was hideous. Feel free to revert the change.HurricaneCraze32 aka Mitchazenia 16:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Is the image on the first page of this NOAA document usable? It is probably the best image of Tip out there, though I'm not sure what "Photo courtesy of Debi Iacovelli." Debi Iacovelli co-wrote a report on Tip in the same document, and is apparently a tropical weather specialist at Cape Coral, Florida. The image is the same of the one on page 8 of the JTWC report, which says "DMSP satellite imagery of Super Typhoon Tip" (though the one in the JTWC report is smaller and less well-defined). Do you think that image is usable? Hurricanehink (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

There might be a good one of Tip at peak intensity in the AVHRR data, but I'd have to pay a registration fee to be able to use it (or anything earlier than 1986 for that matter). Good kitty 18:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

That's probably not necessary for you to pay the registration fee. That pic in the link I provided looks great, but I'm not sure of the copyright status. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure but it's either NOAA or the U.S Navy's image. --IrfanFaiz 23:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe not. JTWC attributes it to DMSB satellite, though I don't know what that is. If that is a satellite of another country, we can't use it. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Well there's DMSP (Defense Meteorological Satellite Program) [1]. It could also be the same AVHRR image I was looking at. The GMS satellites weren't operating back then, but the AVHRRs were fairly new. Good kitty 04:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

So you think it's good? Hurricanehink (talk) 05:04, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

So it's NOAA's image then? --IrfanFaiz 05:20, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Most intense

[2] It says Yuri (Nov, 1991), Gay (Nov, 1992) and Angela (Nov, 1995) may have been more intense than Tip. I'm sure its still the largest. That one picture over the United States is amazing. Good kitty 03:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for posting on this old one but... those are Dvorak estimates and Tip's intensity were recorded on site. So maybe Tip is still the most intense tropical cyclone. --IrfanFaiz 12:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Tip may not have been retired and there were other storms of the same name. However, it is not currently on any naming list. More to the point this Tip is the Tip - by orders of magnitude the most important in both meteorological terms and human impact. Typhoon Tip redirects here and 99.999% of people looking for "Typhoon Tip" will be after this storm. This is a case where common sense (and broader WP guidelines on disambiguation) should surely overrule WPTC's "rules". This is the same rationale that placed Hurricane Katrina at the main article before it was retired ;)--Nilfanion (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

The relevant guideline here is Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic: "When there is a well known primary meaning... then that may be used for the title of the main article". This Tip is clearly that and will remain so as there will not be another TY Tip.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, remember that the WPTC rules are guidelines, at most, so they can be WP:IAR'd if there is a reason good enough to do so. I'd say this one should be moved. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just put chapter and verse down as reference for future cases (where there may be a need for discussion...)--Nilfanion (talk) 10:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

This article has been renamed from Typhoon Tip (1979) to Typhoon Tip as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 07:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass

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wait so...

the picture makes the thing be about the size of the western part of the USA... BS, --Jakezing (talk) 16:28, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It has a diameter of 2,220 km (1,380 miles). It was huge. Plasticup ^T/C 16:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope, not BS. See Plasticup's explanation. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 17:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

So we have wsomething thjat big... wow that would suck to have crash into you.--Jakezing (talk) 20:35, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't fit in the Atlantic, so it wouldn't happen here. Potapych (talk) 23:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Strongest in the world since records were kept?

I have been looking at the other wikipedia heavyweight typhoons and found the following (I have bolded the text of intrest):

Hurricane Wilma - "Hurricane Wilma was the most intense hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic basin"

Hurricane Linda - "Hurricane Linda was the strongest Pacific hurricane on record"

Cyclone Gonu - "is the strongest tropical cyclone on record in the Arabian Sea"

Cyclone Gafilo - " It is the most intense cyclone ever to form in the south-western Indian Ocean."

Cyclone Gwenda - "Severe Tropical Cyclone Gwenda was the most intense Australian tropical cyclone on record"

Cyclone Zoe - "Severe Tropical Cyclone Zoe is the most intense tropical cyclone ever observed in the South Pacific to the east of 160E"

and then there is this article that just says this...

"was the largest and most intense tropical cyclone on record"

Is it fair to say that this typhoon was the strongest in the world (Since records were kept)??? I feel that this info should be put in the lead as the lead talks about the article in a summary. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 04:42, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The "since records are kept" part is superfluous, since the lede says it is the strongest on record. Worldwide is also not necessary, as the other articles have qualifiers precisely because they don't match Tip's record. I also removed the Arizona State link, as it doesn't add anything to what the references already in the article cover. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 04:49, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

No link

Hey. I just found out that alot of refs do not have urls. We need to add the urls. Jeffrey Gu ^{Happy holidays!} 22:55, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

No we dont as they are items that are verifiable.Jason Rees (talk) 23:38, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Protection

{{edit semi-protected}} Highly visible page. Very popular storm. Here's the entry. Jeffrey Gu ^{Happy holidays!} 23:31, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

This template is for requesting edits, not protection, which is done at WP:RFPP as you've already done. However I do not believe protection is necessary, it does not appear subject to much vandalism--Jac16888 ^Talk 23:41, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Full protection

Per the request at WP:RFPP, I've fully protected the article for 3 days. Though I am going to have a word with User:Jeffrey Gu, as I came very near to just blocking him for edit warring, as it seems like that's where the main problem lies. Qwyrxian (talk) 09:20, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Unofficial 862 hPa reading on Haiyan

I browsed through a NOAA best track for Haiyan and it reported a pressure of 862 hPa at peak. I am aware that the JMA-reported 895 hPa reading is official but it might be a notable addition in this article and perhaps Haiyan's as this is significantly lower than Monica's unofficial pressure of 869 mbar.. --IrfanFaiz 10:59, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Here is the best track data [3]. --IrfanFaiz 11:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Biased re-analysis

Recently scientists came out with a revised list of the strongest tropical cyclones since 1979 – and it revises Tip to 200/873, which I believe is biased. Therefore, I believe this shouldn't be added into the article UNLESS STATED BY NHC/JMA. --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 22:58, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to resurrect an old discussion but why is it biased?--The Space Enthusiast (talk) 04:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Main image

@MarioProtIV: I disagree with your statement. Here in the project we always look for adding the best images that we have for the storm, and the quality and resoltion of the Typhoon tip peak.jpg is way, way better than the Tip Oct 12 1979 peak.jpg, they're almost uncomparable quality-wise. Besides, the article alredy have a global image that compares Tip's size with some Pacific asian countries and Typhoon Sarah, in a way better form than in the image that you propose. Your image doesn't even have some kind of metric and lack objects (countries, islands, cyclones, etc) for comparison effects, what makes the typhoon's size inside that image almost meaningles. And since we have a pretty god image showing Tip's size, we don't need another one doing the same job in a worse way, it's redundant and not useful at all. ABC paulista (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

The previous image is far clearer and well-defined. I don't see any good reasons for why the long-standing image of many years was ever changed in the first place. Dustin (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the visible image is better than the larger scale, infrared one. As mentioned above, we already have an image in the Meteorological history section that showcases the size of Tip. On a bigger note, what's with the obsession over infobox images within the project lately? People aren't coming to the article to look at pictures, they can use Google on that. Focus on the content. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Typhoon Tip might not be the largest tropical cyclone

i was wondering why no one has mention this yet but... Typhoon Winnie in 1997 appeared to have a diameter of 1460 miles wide? while tip was 1380 miles wide.

Typhoon_Winnie_(1997)

here is the link for this proof?

http://agora.ex.nii.ac.jp/cgi-bin/dt/search_name2.pl?lang=en&basin=wnp&lt=w&sort=max_gale_diameter&stype=number&order=dec

i would like to know more about this strange ... issue ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshoctober16 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@Joshoctober16, Jason Rees, Cyclonebiskit, Yellow Evan, and Nova Crystallis: The WMO has not certified Winnie as being the biggest, and the WMO takes precedence over an individual RSMC.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:02, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Does it really? After all if it was something like the pressure, we would accept the RSMC over WMO.Jason Rees (talk) 11:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Not really, take Typhoon Forrest for example. JMA estimated it's peak pressure as 885 mbar, but WMO states that it's peak was 876 mbar, and the latter is the one more highlighted on the article and Wikipedia in general. ABC paulista (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Claim is not supported by reliable sources outside the wind listing (corroborating sources are needed to make this kind of claim) and constitutes WP:OR. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Jasper Deng: Where's the source that the WMO "certified" Tip as the biggest? I don't remember finding such on their website. ABC paulista (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

@ABC paulista: Certified is an interesting word. But WMO ASU has this for the biggest, but it also intrestingly has this for the smallest. Maybe we need to ask the HRD to update the TC FAQ or the WMO to give ASU a nudge.Jason Rees (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)