Talk:Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua

Lineal

Seeing as your IP keeps changing, I'll copy and paste what I posted to your talk page here:

Per WP:NPOV, you cannot state in Wikipedia's voice that Tyson Fury is a "lineal champion". Whether you like it or not, the "lineal" status is an opinion, not a fact. Per the standing consensus at WP:BOXING, we only mention the mythical "lineal championship" on certain pages and under certain circumstances. For instance, it's fine to mention on Tyson Fury's article that he's widely considered the "lineal champion" by media outlets, but it's not fine to state in Wikipedia's voice, on an article about a fight, that Fury is the "lineal champion" and his imaginary title will be on the line. We also don't list this in record tables, succession boxes or lists of champions, and by extension, lists of titles. Hence why the fan-made "lineal championship" is omitted from the article. If, as you say, you're going to continue to violate Wikipedia policy, a simple rememedy will be a range block and the article in question being protected from such disruption. – ².O.^Boxing 10:15, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Date notation

The date has been agreed as August 14th but I'm not sure which date notation will be use for it. It's between two British fights so it could be 14 August 2021 but it's taking place in a foreign territory so will it be August 14, 2021? Faren29 (talk) 00:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

@Faren29: per MOS:DATETIES, Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. As Saudi isn't an English-speaking country, the only tie would be the nationalities of the fighters, so dmy would probably be the preferred format. – ².O.^Boxing 01:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Page name

I am not fully aware by that page moves, I don't understand why Penepi is trying to disrupt the page by moving it from J to F to F to J. I can't trust this page move, there are overwhelming ringside observers such as ESPN, USA Today, SB Nation and CBSSports.com have strongly preferred to the name Anthony Joshua vs. Tyson Fury, the name AJ to TF we shall follow the first names of the fighters, as most of media outlets strongly preferred to AJ vs TF. --2600:6C4E:57F:541E:4D91:6C85:69D:C8BE (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, cannot agree. Put "Fury vs Joshua" into google and you will see many articles preferring this order. Even if not, this is not an argument. We should basically follow the alphabet and fighters' surnames for now, which is definitely more official than just what some observers prefer. And "F" goes before "J". Simple as that. Penepi (talk) 09:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

As the fight hasn't been officially announced, and as there isn't a significant majority of reliable sources using one or the other (although a Google search for "Fury vs Joshua" does comes back with more results for "Anthony Joshua vs. Tyson Fury"), there is no right or wrong title. At this present moment, both titles are acceptable per WP:Article titles, so it shouldn't have been changed in the first place. Alphabetical order, although logical, isn't listed as a criteria for naming an article and definitely isn't a reason to change it. The page moves need to stop. Just leave it as it is and wait for the official announcement. – ².O.^Boxing 10:40, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 16 May 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. The fight is off, and the status quo seems good for now. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 01:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

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Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua → Anthony Joshua vs. Tyson Fury – As per naming conventions, Joshua holds the WBA, IBF, WBO and IBO titles, while Fury holds the WBC and Ring Magazine heavyweight titles. I am not aware by Penepi's acts to move the page disruptively. 2600:6C4E:57F:541E:4D91:6C85:69D:C8BE (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

• @162 etc. and 2600:6C4E:57F:541E:4D91:6C85:69D:C8BE: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
• Can we just wait for a little bit? So far, I've seen both Fury-Joshua and Joshua-Fury in reliable sources; with an official fight announcement probably only a day or two away, this back-and-forth seems a bit much. 162 etc. (talk) 00:27, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Breaking news, it appears that the fight is off and Fury will be fighting Wilder instead [1]. This may require a major rewrite of the article as events unfold. 162 etc. (talk) 22:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

• @162 etc.: There are many ringside observers including, SB Nation, ESPN, Sky Sports, Yahoo, Telegraph, DAZN etc., we may surely follow first name of fighters and the alphabet not surnames. --2600:6C4E:57F:541E:4D91:6C85:69D:C8BE (talk) 00:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
• The article shouldn't have been moved in the first place, however, with no official announcement and no significant majority of sources using one or the other, there's no right or wrong title. Leave it as is until it's been announced. – ².O.^Boxing 16:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
• It's apparent the fight will be labelled differently depending on the promotional companies. Top Rank and Queensberry will likely call it Fury vs. Joshua whilst Matchroom will likely call it Joshua vs. Fury. Faren29 (talk) 20:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Recent loss

I mean this whole article is kinda redundant now since AJ doesn’t hold any belts? maybe make it all past tense? 🤷🏻‍♂️ 82.132.245.96 (talk) 23:15, 20 August 2022 (UTC)