Talk:Tysons, Virginia

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Any wikipedia entry on Tyson's Corner needs to talk about the hellish traffic!

If you can do it in conformity with WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR, then be bold and add it. Doctor Whom 17:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

(June 4, 2010): I added a sentence about how the providing for more housing may mitigate the traffic, by reducing the commute distances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.111.254.17 (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

There was an article on yesterday's Washington Post, Woe Unto Tysons Commuters, about the construction there would be in Tysons Corner over the coming year and how it would affect traffic. Although if you want to mention the traffic itself, I guess you would actually need something that has quantified the traffic volume (and for traffic congestion they would have to quantify increased travel times due to the traffic congestion). I would think this would be somewhat hard to come by. Mecaterpillar 17:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Can someone provide a source for "largest on the East Coast after New York City." Can that really be true? Sounds possible but def needs a source.

Agreed. What does this mean??? Tyson's is the largest WHAT on the East Coast after New York City. Does this mean that it is bigger than downtwon Baltimore or what? Or is it the largest "edge city" on the east coast? It should be cited or deleted.

Sounds like nothing more than NOVA bravado to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.225.111.103 (talk) 01:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested assessment by wikiproject:Virginia

I just stumbled across this page randomly, but it appears to be a real labor of love by someone. I think it deserves some more attention. With a little work it could be a truly great page! I've requested assessment by Wikipedia:WikiProject_Virginia. Let's see what happens! Sjb0926 (talk) 14:13, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

November 29, 2010: I addressed the criticism that the article is outdated by adding a sentence indicating that the advocates of an above-ground system prevailed over those who wanted full tunneling. I also noted that there will be a short tunnel under the highest point at the 7-123 intersection. As of this writing, construction of the line is well underway, with the tunnel "breaking through" (the two ends joining underground) earlier this month. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.111.254.17 (talk) 21:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Shoppers vs. Tourist Numbers

The article currently makes this statement: "Every weekday, Tysons Corner draws 55,000 shoppers from around the region. In comparison, Washington, D.C. draws 15 million visitors annually, or the equivalent of 62,500 per weekday."

I don't think this is actually a valid comparison. The number of people who come from around the area to shop at Tyson's is different from the number of people who come from outside the region to visit as tourists. Over 400,000 people come into the District every day, but they're not counted as "tourists". If there isn't any objection, I'm going to remove what I believe to be a false comparison. Best, epicAdam^(talk) 16:41, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

There are also plenty of shoppers who are also tourists. I've heard plenty of stories about how Saudi Royalty have rented entire floors of the Ritz-Carlton while on shopping missions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.238.175 (talk) 17:58, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Edge city

Tysons as an urban center is older than 30 years, which makes classifying it as an edge city WP:OR Tedickey (talk) 12:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Interestingly enough, Tysons is listed at the Edge city page, and edge city is listed in the sentence above with a source. Perhaps "commercial area" might best describe Tysons in a more clear way. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 13:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Something like that. Describing Tysons as an edge city is like continuing to refer to someone as a "boy wonder" when he's in his mid-thirties Tedickey (talk) 14:11, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it is an edge city, for at least one reason: Tysons Corner is figured very prominently in the book Edge City by Joel Garreau, who either coined the term or at least is most responsible for the term coming into popular use. Look at the two 2-page illustrations that introduce his book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.111.254.17 (talk) 17:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

• Page numbers?
• You can say XX author calls Tysons Corner an edge city.
• WhisperToMe (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

You could say that XX author called it an edge city, but part of the reason has long expired, and "calls" is a misuse of tense. TEDickey (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

"The population was 18,540 as of the 2000 census. --- It is the 12th largest employment center in the United States" This congruence remains the defining identity of an edge city. Tyson's remains the archetype of the edge city and the model from which the term arose however the long term development plan will change that. The future plans have not yet altered the fact it remains an edge city. --Miglewis (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Your sentence beginning "This congruence" is unclear - Tyson's has evolved beyond the given definition, and WP:OR-style amendments to the definition don't address the fact that they're unsourced TEDickey (talk) 23:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Naming

I am attempting to edit the wikipedia page (and creating a redirect all together) as the new term for "Tysons Corner" should be "Tysons" also known as "Tysons Corner" and not the other way around. This is being promoted by both Fairfax County, USPS, and the Tysons Partnership which acts an amalgam of land owners in Tysons. It is also the common nomenclature of Northern Virginia to refer to the area as Tysons, and the mall as Tysons Corner or Tysons Corner Center. Also it would be good if the title heading itself could change to Tysons, Virginia and have the Tysons Corner, Virginia redirect accordingly. TysonsVA (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

The relevant guideline here is WP:COMMONNAME, and although the area is marketed as simply "Tysons", local media outlets (WaPo, Washingtonian, network affiliates, WTOP) all refer to the area as "Tysons Corner". And a name that's more commonly used by sources are preferred over "official" ones, especially since Tysons is a CDP and not an actual municipality. It might be a discussion worth having down the line, but right now, I don't see a reason for change.Mosmof (talk) 01:53, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I understand your points, but this is part of the changes occurring in Tysons, it is a concerted and ongoing effort that is coming from both the local business community as well as Fairfax County itself. It is a bit of a egg/chicken scenario because so many people use wikipedia as official documentation, that without wikipedia also picking up on the official name change the media will continue to incorrectly refer to the location by it's former name. I will note however that as a source for the name change, Washington Post itself ran an article that noted the name shall be Tysons. Additionally, although painfully inconsistent, the Washington Post has been intermixing Tysons and Tysons Corner for some time now.

As precedence for why official naming should be incorporated, I use the example of "Ronald Reagon Washington National Airport". That is the official government stated name, but the common naming of course is National Airport. In this case Wikipedia has selected to have the official name not the common name. If we provide documentation from Fairfax County that the designated name will be officially "Tysons" will this be enough to have the name changed?TysonsVA (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Here are some recent news stories that only use Tysons in reference

http://www.washingtonpost.com/express/wp/2015/04/14/founding-farmers-tysons-serves-up-three-juice-cleanse-regimens/

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/breaking_ground/2015/04/cityline-partners-latest-in-tysons-earns.html

http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post/26513/transit-to-wolf-trap-will-still-run-through-west-falls-church/TysonsVA (talk) 16:35, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

We have increased our effort. Please find the most recent Fairfax Times articles on this subject, as well http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/article/20150429/NEWS/150429181/1117/tysons-still-playing-the-name-game&template=fairfaxTimes TysonsVA (talk) 18:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a promotional tool or an advertising site. Titles and content should reflect usage in a range of reliable sources. The last article link you provide states that the name "game" is far from settled and it's not up to Wikipedia to play in said game. —  AjaxSmack  02:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, that article seems to tip the scale in favor of keeping "Corner" in the name, at least for now. If there's a renewed push to shorten the name, then it seems to indicate that "Tysons Corner" is still the WP:COMMONNAME. Mosmof (talk) 03:22, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

As I understand it, this place is not an official administrative or governmental unit (city, town, township, village, parish, whatever they call municipal units in Virginia), so I don't understand how it can have an "official name". (A CDP is just a designation of convenience for census-taking.) What am I missing? --Macrakis (talk) 04:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

A good point of reference might be Hell's Kitchen, Manhattan. The New York City government has designated the neighborhood "Special Clinton District" and developers/realtors have tried to make the "Clinton" name happen for the neighborhood. But neighborhoods aren't official municipalities, so even with the urging of the local government and businesses, the Hell's Kitchen name remains. Mosmof (talk) 05:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters, but on Google Maps Hell's Kitchen and Tysons are used, not Special Clinton District or Tysons Corner. Old Guard (talk) 23:16, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Name change?

I don't normally work articles for places but does the U.S. Census Bureau changing the name of a place denote a change in article name? See here.--NortyNort (Holla) 19:21, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

The U.S. Census Bureau has names for CDPs which may/may not relate to how organizations name themselves. Terming it as "officially renaming" misleads the reader (and the existing source for this was more than adequate). TEDickey (talk) 01:36, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

The CDP name for Tysons changed last year. source1 source2 It seems to be time to finally move the article over to Tysons, Virginia. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 10:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 9 August 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved - as the community is unincorporated, WP:OFFICIALNAME has little bearing, although AjaxSmack's example shows usage of "Corner", Huwmanbeing offers a larger number of sources which support the proposal per WP:COMMONNAME. DrStrauss talk 22:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

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Tysons Corner, Virginia → Tysons, Virginia – Name change to Tysons is now official and is used on various local websites. Tysons appears to now be the WP:COMMONNAME as well as the official name. Additionally, the relevant category is called Tysons, Virginia, so we should be consistent. Posting this here rather than CfD as I believe the category name is correct and this is not. However, if this is closed with consensus being to retain the current name, I will nominate that the category be moved. Smartyllama (talk) 15:57, 9 August 2017 (UTC)--Relisting. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:55, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. It is the official name now. --StuffOfInterest (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Wait for usage to catch up with official usage. (How can an unincorporated community have an official name, anyway?) —  AjaxSmack  02:29, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Also note the comments and examples provided by User:Macrakis and User:Mosmof in the section above. —  AjaxSmack  14:25, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
    • And on the front page of the print Washington Post Metro section appeared yesterday: "Gerald T. Halpin, real estate magnate who foresaw promise of Tysons Corner, dies at 94". —  AjaxSmack  01:03, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

Various others use Tysons: [1][2][3][4][5][6] The official name change occurred in 2015; usage hasn't caught up in every source, but it does seem to have become common. ╠╣uw [talk] 11:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

• Support per the nominator's rationale. It's also worth noting that government sources like the Census Bureau and the USGS (which now identify the community as Tysons) are particularly important ones that we lean on for our US geographic articles, so when a placename changes, and that change get reflected in significant official and government sources (as well as local ones), it's appropriate for us to give that some weight. Certainly many places still reference the community as "Corners", but in this particular case I think it's better to be a little out of step with (shifting) common use than out of step with important key sources. ╠╣uw [talk] 17:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Mr Tyson

In the history section, we read that William Tyson purchased a tract of land and served as postmaster 1854 to 1866. In the next paragraph, we have Mr Tyson operating a fruit stand "as recently as the 1950s." Not sure what to make of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8A0:65A1:900:1EA8:B6A0:9B6B:9E0B (talk) 18:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

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