Talk:Tzoah Rotachat

What would this article be in English? "Boiling excrement"?

Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English):

The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources

In ictu oculi (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:59, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Tzoah Rotachat → boiling excrement – Relisted. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:08, 3 December 2011 (UTC) per WP:EN and Google Scholar/WP:RS. Saving the most pungent of this series of article-creations till last. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:17, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Comment but boiling excrement is a waste processing technique... so one might expect that to lead to waste treatment articles... 70.24.248.23 (talk) 04:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, really?? I think you may have misheard that, since sewage treatment does not "boil" anything. In any case there is no reference to waste treatment under "boiling excrement" in Google Books, where almost all 293 references to the term "boiling excrement" refer to exactly what this article has in Hebrew. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I do remember reading of a toilet system that boiled the waste and then incinerated what was left. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support. The "boiling excrement" translation is used here (for the Talmud) and here (Zohar). Kauffner (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Current title has Gematria value that is part and parcel of title. Current title has mystical meaning by -amongst other meanings- is reflective of torah terminology of idol worship צא" תאמר לו"--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support - With all due respect to the original Hebrew, this is the English wikipedia and so we must use a standard form which is meaningful to most readers per WP:EN. Also, it sounds more interesting! Snappy (talk) 00:17, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose move of this complex notion and concept. It's NOT just about "boiling" human excrement per se (to be literal it would have to be actually named "feces boiling"). It's about a Torah metaphor, Midrashic allegory because it's not "practiced" in "real life" and the old Hebrew wording designates that! This would just be a "dumbing down" to the point of absurdity by misapplication of WP policies. Keep article as is per Marecheth. The problem is that In ictu has come along with motions for sweeping changes like this all over the place that has just engendered WP:DISRUPT and near WP:WAR more than anything else. More WP:CONSENSUS is required otherwise such suggested changes just amount to being railroaded into In ictu's WP:POV. So let's all ease up and make improvements to the articles' WP:CONTENT rather than quibble over headings that can easily be accommodated by WP:REDIRECTS! See Category:Hebrew words and phrases for thousands of instances where transliterated Hebrew language words are legitimately used in WP articles. IZAK (talk) 05:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

IZAK, this is, I'm sorry, not your best. As Forrest Gump never said "WP:WAR is as WP:WAR does". Let he who wants to war war. Personally I'm getting less and less impressed or interested in seeing cut and paste comments thrown at different RMs without bothering to even click Google Books searches that are already done. Afraid of looking at the results? This is not the way WP guidelines should be weighed and considered, and applied by editors. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm all with IZAK on this one. I've seen many an article where In ictu oculi starts a name page change to what he feels is WP:EN (see Talk:Mnachem Risikoff for starters) only to be out-voted.. (talk about us "getting less and less impressed or interested"..--Marecheth Ho'eElohuth (talk) 19:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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