Talk:U2360° at the Rose Bowl

Details on filming

U2.com interview with Tom Krueger here. Part one of two. Could go into section on setting up cameras/filming. Not DVD exclusive, so could also add info to main Tour article for details on screen visuals. Melicans (talk, contributions) 18:58, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Larry on vocals.

he songs on Unknown Caller, Moment of Surrender, and Elevation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.231.239.198 (talk) 18:07, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

360° at the Rose Bowl → U2360° at the Rose Bowl – "U2" is officially part of the title as every source on U2.com indicates.[1][2][3] Page was previously moved from original title without discussion. Relisted. BDD (talk) 23:40, 28 October 2013 (UTC) –Dream out loud (talk) 02:15, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: Shouldn't there be a space between "U2" and "360°"? Before October 2012, the article title had a space. The space seems to make it more readable. On the cover art, the "U2" and "360°" are on separate lines of text, which similarly separates them. The references that I noticed seem to include the space. Some of the referenced sources include the space in the title and some do not. Some of them list the title only as "360° at the Rose Bowl" and list "U2" separately as the name of the band. Generally, I get an impression of inconsistency in the sources (but I didn't study the situation especially carefully). —BarrelProof (talk) 14:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• I agree a space would make more sense, but all the references seem to lack the space, so I don't think we can just add one in because it looks right. Although, I have seen U2360° Tour written as one word, but much less common. –Dream out loud (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

In fact, now that I look into it "U2360°" in general seems to be more common than "U2 360°" The liner notes for the live album U22 reference the tour as "U2360°"[4] as do the track listings for Artificial Horizon[5] and Wide Awake in America[6]. U2.com has more hits for "U2360°"[7] than "U2 360°"[8]. The official book about the tour, From the Ground Up, also formats it as "U2360°",[9] so it seems its more common without with the space. –Dream out loud (talk) 23:29, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose As written. The word styling seems inappropriate. I would Support U2: 360° at the Rose Bowl.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:14, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• What is your basis for formatting it as such when none of the official sources include a colon? –Dream out loud (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1694546/) and amazon (http://www.amazon.ca/U2-360-at-Rose-Bowl/dp/B003ELOQCU).--Labattblueboy (talk) 00:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

IMDB and Amazon.com are not reliable sources. Amazon.com is just a online store that can format things however they want and I've seen them format things wrong before - any user can submit a correction on a listing. IMDb is mostly user-created, similar to a Wiki, and again, any users can submit corrections or additions on their own. There are no more official sources than U2.com and a physical book from the band published about the tour. –Dream out loud (talk) 06:20, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

IMDB is certainly a reliable source and is employed as such on wikipedia. The use of a space or colon seems to be rather widespread (rotten tomatoes[10], Rolling Stone[11], not to mention sources in the article itself including inthenews.co.uk or allmusic[12]. That being said, I'm not dead set on the colon. I am however opposed to U2360° at the Rose Bowl because U2360° is simply word styling, which wikipedia does not normally follow (MOS:TM). Since there is usage out there for U2 360° (or in the case of Uncut magazine U2 - 360°[13]), and it's not a fabrication, I'm supporting some derivative of that.--Labattblueboy (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

IMDb is not a reliable source by any means. Yes, it is frequently used in many film articles, but such references are constantly being removed and are a violation of WP:VS. In fact, the template {{Unreliable sources}} has a separate parameter for IMDb sources. You have to look at the official source for such items and formatting. U2.com is the official source and press release for the video[14] formats it in such the way I listed above. –Dream out loud (talk) 01:38, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, it is formatted as such on the release's cover itself![15] –Dream out loud (talk) 01:41, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Official names are largely irrelevant for Wikipedia and I would not consider u2.com an unbiased reliable source in this case. I don't see us coming to agreement on this issue; you want to employ stylistic formatting and find it inappropriate and other options are employed by reliable sources. There isn't really any room to meet in the middle.--Labattblueboy (talk) 03:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

We are not talking about what names are "official" vs. "unofficial". We are talking about a simple formatting issue. I would like to get some feedback from other editors on this. With or without a space, the article title needs to change regardless. –Dream out loud (talk) 06:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Agree with U2360° at the Rose Bowl. We should name the article as it is at u2.com. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:20, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The original reason I proposed the move was to reinstate "U2" back into the title. I can say that I support both U2360° at the Rose Bowl and U2 360° at the Rose Bowl as titles, whether or not the space is included. For now I think we should just add "U2" back as it was originally, and debate the space formatting another time. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:02, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.