Talk:UAAP Final Four

Make some clarifications

Can we make an article separating the Final Four format per se from its implementation in men's basketball? Aeron Valderrama (talk) Aeron Valderrama (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Quadrantal (talk) 05:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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• UAAP Final Four → UAAP final four
• List of UAAP Final Four results → List of UAAP final four results
• NCAA Final Four (Philippines) → NCAA final four (Philippines)

– As far as I can tell, final four is a generic term, except in the context of the (American) NCAA Final Four, in which case it is their trademark. Dicklyon (talk) 05:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

AFAIK, these terms in the Philippines are proper names, which may or may not be trademarked, and are treated as such by WP:RS. The rules of grammar do not limit proper nouns to trademarks, which is purely a commercial enterprise. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I mentioned trademark because MOS:TM explains why it's capped in NCAA Final Four in spite of the fact that it's obviously not a proper name, but a plain description, as explained at final four. Dicklyon (talk) 05:49, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Obviously, WP:RS treat it as a proper name. You don't need trademarks to transform phrases to proper names. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Some WP:RS:

• GMA News: "UAAP: Final Four-bound NU, FEU edge Adamson, UP to bolster twice-to-beat bid"
• Rappler: "No clear-cut favorites as UAAP Final Four unfolds"
• Philippine Daily Inquirer: "UAAP men’s Final Four: Ateneo vs UP and La Salle vs NU"
• Manila Times: "NCAA Final Four: San Beda blasts Lyceum to force do-or-die game"
• Philippine News Agency: "College of Saint Benilde completes NCAA Final Four cast"
• Daily Tribune: "MOMENT OF TRUTH — Mapua, Lyceum Favored As NCAA Final Four Erupts"

I didn't cherry pick these. Google search did not find sentence case treatment for this specific term, at least on the first two pages. In Philippine sporting terminology, this RM was an underdog from the start, and the higher-seed team did not need its twice-to-beat advantage. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: per Howard the Duck argument. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 11:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: Per Howard the Duck. Seems to be a proper name and it seems like moving it would do more harm than good. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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