Talk:Underbone

Suzuki Raider 150 is not an underbone

I would like to tell you that Suzuki Raider 150 is not an underbone bike but actually a small naked street motorcycle with steel tube frames. For your information, many naked bikes including the bigger ones use steel tube frames as well, so never confuse it with underbones. Underbones don't have large tear-shaped tanks. Hezery99 03:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

The Raider is a motorcycle with a step-through frame line a scooter, with footpegs like a motorcycle. That's pretty close to the definition of an underbone.

The Suzuki Raider in Thailand is called a Hyper Underbone therefore the Suzuki Raider is still an underbone. The Honda Sonic has the frame and engine of the Honda CBR 125 sports bike but the Honda Sonic is still called an underbone.

Original Research

This article appears to be almost completely original research. 842U (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Underbones, like motorcycles and unlike scooters... They're all motorcycles!

A motorcycle (also called a motorbicycle, motorbike, bike, or cycle) is a single-track, motor vehicle powered by an engine. - from Motorcycle article on Wikipedia.

By that definition, both underbones and scooters are motorcycles. Therefore, a statement like "Although they may appear (eg styling, weather protection) to be a scooter, they have motorcycle size wheels and hence better road-holding" is misleading, as it assumes that underbones and scooters are not motorcycles.

I shall attempt to rewrite the article to clean up statements like this, and to reintroduce formal style where I can.

Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 10:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I fear that this is hair-splitting that will not progress this article (or others). Scooters are motorcycles in some important senses (they have 2 wheels and an engine), but not in others (small wheels, unsprung engine under/behind rider). Underbones are motorcycle in every sense. They're not scooters and never will be. However, I don't have enough time to waste if you fail to understand. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 21:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the people you have to convince that underbones are not scooters will probably be harder to convince than I am. They're the sales department of Honda UK, which markets the SH125i and SH300i in the UK as scooters. The rest of the Big Four (Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha) probably do the same with their underbones.

On another note, touring scooters, or maxi scooters, or whatever they're called, are generally not called underbones, mainly because the term is a colloquialism from South Asia or South-East Asia for small, cheap, step-through motorcycles. It's not a technical term used by manufacturers. Then again, the term "scooter" is, and the manufacturers appear to use it quite loosely, as noted above.

Somehow, in all the editing, the part about most modern underbones using a frame that is more similar to the Honda Wave's multitube frame than the Super Cub's single large downtube seems to have disappeared.

Here's a tip: The term "cleaning up an article" usually means clearing up mistakes and making the style more formal, more concise, and less cluttered. What you call "cleaning up", however, seems to mean adding unnecessary adjectives and adverbs, dividing concise sentences so that unnecessary extra sentences can be added, adding "aside" lines in parentheses, and removing the spacing between the end of a section and the title of the next section. While the last habit does not clutter the article itself and make it look informal and haphazard, as the first three do, it does create a huge solid mass of text that makes the section headings harder for other editors to find.

Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 23:58, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

You appear to be saying we cannot write this article, since we're attempting to define a reasonably precise non-English term using imprecise western English, where there is no longer a word for the historic (and still widely used) Vespa-style scooter. We could clarify the article easily enough with a picture and our own definition of a scooter, but I can't see that being acceptable as a compromise to some editors here. MalcolmMcDonald (talk) 06:32, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding the classification of touring scooters as underbones

Please see the discussion here: Talk:Scooter (motorcycle)#Maxi-scooters - are they scooters or underbones? No signature (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of the term, references?

Never heard of the term, none of the references seem to mention it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salty Batter (talk • contribs) 22:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

A cursory web search would show you it's widely used. Did you try that? I added a source for a 2012 race series. Further expansion would be a good thing. — Brianhe (talk) 20:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Never heard the term used in the UK, where I worked in the motorcycle industry for some years. The whole premise seems odd. The Uk equivalent term is Stepthru. The definition as being a bike with a partially tubular frame is odd, because a good number of examples quoted, notably the Honda SuperCub/C100/C50 series, have a pressed steel frame with no tubular components.212.159.44.170 (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

The MotoMia 110 is an underbone

In South Africa there is an underbone called the MotoMia 110 which has a 4 gear semi automatic transmission. I’m This type of a motorcycle has a maximum speed of 120 km/h but is normally tuned to go only at 85km/h for safety reasons as it is light and unstable at high speed.

It has 2.75/17 front Tyre and 3.0/17 at the back. The engine displacement is just above 113 cc but it is called a 110, it's a 4 stroke 1 cylinder engine, producing a 17kw output. 41.114.179.70 (talk) 01:43, 16 August 2021 (UTC)k