Talk:Union Council of Ministers/Archive 1

Archive 1

What should be included in the table

Age

do we require to put the age of the ministers in the table as it requires updation routinly—Preceding unsigned comment added by Puthussery (talk • contribs) 10:09, June 16, 2009

If the age must be in the table, then it should be listed as year of birth and not as a number of years to prevent this problem. However, I see no reason to include age at all, and propose that this column be removed. Does anyone have a reason for listing the ages here in this table for comparison? Blue Rasberry 19:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

All in Lok Sabha?

It is false that all previous PMs have been Lok Sabha members (Deve Gowda and Gujral were not) so I am changing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.63.5 (talk) 18:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Function of offices

It would be nice to have a description of the function of each of these offices. —75.42.174.181 23:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Right now each cabinet member is listed along with his office, and there are wikilinks associated with each office. It is enough to allow users to click on the name of the office to read about it. Blue Rasberry 19:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

SI No

Right now the first column is some kind of numbering system called the SI No. What is this? Is this an official ranking system, or just something left over from a table template? I propose that it be removed if it has no significance. Blue Rasberry 19:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Education

Right now the table includes a note about the education of each council member. This seems unnecessary to me because I know of no rule that says that proof of formal education is required to be a council member for the Indian government and also I do not think this information is necessary for understanding each member's position. I propose to move all information about education to each member's personal Wikipedia article. Any objections? Blue Rasberry 19:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Could someone please add images of all the ministers and the constituencies they represent - thank you Peelusrinivasan (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Comparison of formats of tables

Please compare Wikipedia articles for national cabinets with me.

Here is the category page for national cabinets. Here is an example from the table for the United States Cabinet, which I feel is an excellent presentation.

Department	Office	Incumbent	Image	in Office since
Department of State	Secretary of State	Hillary Rodham Clinton		January 21, 2009

Here is an example from the Cabinet of Germany, which I feel is adequate. Most countries' cabinet pages look like this one.

Office	Incumbent	Since	Party
Federal Chancellor	Angela Merkel	2005	CDU

Here is the table for India's cabinet.

Sl. No.	Name	Ministries	Age	House	State/UT (Constituency)	Education
1	Manmohan Singh	Prime Minister of India and Other ministries not allocated to anyone Ministry of Personnel, Public Grievances and Pensions Department of Space	77	Rajya Sabha	Assam	PhD (Oxford)

If it were possible, I would like the page for India's cabinet to resemble the format for the page of America's cabinet. If I cannot find enough pictures to fill things in, then at least I would like the section headings and type of text information to match. Possibly also the constituency listings and house affiliations should stay also, because if I understand correctly, most members of the Indian cabinet simultaneously server as MPs. Would anyone object to me making changes here? Blue Rasberry 20:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Title of this article

What is the correct name for this group of people? The current name of the article is "Union Council of Ministers of India". This group includes these three subgroups: Cabinet Ministers, Ministers of State with Independent Charge, and Ministers of State. Here are some websites which call this group the "Council of Ministers":

• India.gov.in
• Cabinet Secretariat of India
• various news sources Hindustan Times Groundreport Oneindia.in some other site

Here is a source calling it the "Union Council of Ministers" The Pioneer (Indian newspaper). Probably there are other sources, but this seems to be a less-used name.

Especially because of the Indian government's use of the name "Council of Ministers" in two prominent places where they are naming things for the general public, I propose changing the name of this article to "Council of Ministers (India)" and having the other name redirect to this. Any comments? Please provide sources to support statements. Blue Rasberry 20:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

User:Neelix just changed the name of the article from "'Union Council of Ministers of India' to 'Cabinet of India' (To be consistent with other articles about national cabinets.)" It is not obvious to me why this article should be named by the most obvious English-word description for what its subject is, when in fact the article's subject has a formal name which is definitely not "Cabinet of India". Neelix, could I invite you to comment? Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia's policy on article titles, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." A Google Books search reveals that "Cabinet of India" is by far the more common name in English-language reliable sources; "Cabinet of India" receives 270 hits while "Union Council of Ministers of India" receives only 6. Also, "Cabinet of India" is far more consistent with the titles of other articles about national cabinets. For these reasons, I moved the article to the present title. Neelix (talk) 21:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable and I support your action entirely. This is a good resolution to the naming problem with this article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:48, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

19 January 2011 re-shuffle

I've marked this article as needing an update as there was a cabinet reshuffle on 19 January 2011. See Cabinet reshuffle: 3 new ministers sworn in (Times of India). --Canley (talk) 01:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Article is outdated.

External affairs minister SM Krishna had resigned on Friday. Cabinet ministers Ambika Soni, Mukul Wasnik and SK Sahai, Ministers of state Mahadev Khandela (tribal affairs), Agatha Sangma (rural development) and Vincent Pala (water resources and minority affairs) also quit on Saturday. So the information provided here is incorrect and needs an update. Also it would be great if someone can pur "recent events" header. Thanks a lot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.172.165 (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA)

Someone put text on the page currently redirected to from CCEA, Council for the Curriculum, Examinations & Assessment regarding the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs. Does this committee need an article - a quick Google suggests it might be able to establish material to justify a page - could someone confirm/clarify? I can't see it in the table on this article. --Philipwhiuk (talk) 00:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Speculation

The present ministry and its undertakers mentioned on the page is just a speculation and no official announcement has been made yet. Only announcement is that the the following people will be the ministers but their departments are yet to be declared.

The present ministry and its undertakers mentioned on the page is just a speculation and no official announcement has been made yet. Only announcement is that the the following people will be the ministers but their departments are yet to be declared.Abhinav0908 (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --115.113.183.131 (talk) 02:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The content are all authentic as it is derived from dailies like Times of India and Dainik Bhaskar.

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --122.171.120.253 (talk) 02:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --111.93.3.33 (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethnic background section and details

request edit

This article has been edited by user: SanjayMohan to reflect racist attitudes against a large section of the population of India.

I am not an expert and so I do not feel comfortable editing the article.

I take issue with comments on the page including: -There are three times as many Bengalis as Punjabis, and they are more talented, honest and hardworking than Punjabis -There are as many Malayalis as Punjabis, and they are more talented, honest and hardworking than Punjabis, yet not a single seat was assigned to a Malayali. -There are 1.5 times as many Oriyas as Punjabis, and they are more talented, honest and hardworking than Punjabis, -In a major coup against India and Prime Minister Modi, Punjabis have maneuvered to take control of 5 out of 24 cabinet positions

This is my first time requesting edits, so apologies if this has been done incorrectly. -- 24.52.236.10 (talk) 02:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

fighting against injustice, oppression and ethnic supremacism is not bias. SanjayMohan (talk) 22:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

User:SanjayMohan - I have deleted your section on ethnic background. For reasons, please see WP:COATRACK, WP:OR and WP:NPOV. Wikipedia is not a place to "fight against injustice, oppression and ethnic supremacism". See WP:WWIN and WP:ADVOCACY. Please explain how your "fighting against..." goal here and your additions are consistent with wikipedia policies. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 00:38, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 12 April 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Consensus that the name is unambiguous, and there is no other organisation of this name. As already noted below, WP:PRECISE does not expect us to disambiguate against subjects that don't even exist.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:39, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Union Council of Ministers of India → Union Council of Ministers – A redirect has long existed. "of India" is rather unnecessary. – Filpro (talk) 21:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

@Filpro: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

• There are many organizations among government ministers in the world. We need to state which country here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

• Although I agree with you that there many organizations among government ministers of the world, there is only one with such a title and topic. This case is similar to the unnecessary adding of "Indian", "of India", and "(India)" across Wikipedia.

Examples include:

• Ministry of Steel, previously Ministry of Steel (India)
• Annexation of Portuguese India, previously Indian annexation of Portuguese India
• Pseudo-secularism, previously Pseudo-secularism (India)

Heck, they even wanted to move Department of Space to Department of Space, Government of India or Department of Space of the Indian Government. Ridiculous.Filpro (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose – "Union Council of Ministers" is potentially ambiguous, and I see no benefit to removing the "of India", which helps identify the topic in line with WP:PRECISE. RGloucester — ☎ 22:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
  • The title with the "of India" suffix violates the exact policy that you referenced. It states, "Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that." There is no other Union Council of Ministers than the one in India, so being overly precise by adding the suffix violates policy, unless there is a specific policy or guideline to suggest otherwise (as per the Leeds North West example mentioned in the section you linked to). --Joshua Issac (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

It is not overly precise. "Union Council of Ministers" could conceivably refer to something else, even if it doesn't in actuality. Because of this, it does not define the scope of the article in a way that I find to be acceptable. RGloucester — ☎ 21:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The title "could conceivably refer to something else, even if it doesn't in actuality"? Isn't that true of any title? Should all titles be disambiguated based on phantom or fantasy topics? —  AjaxSmack  23:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support - There are no other subjects named Union Council of Ministers. There is no need to add (India) to the end of the title for every Indian organisation. The convention is to have just the actual title whenever there is no other organisation that has the same name. Examples:
  • Office of Naval Intelligence, not Office of Naval Intelligence of the United States
  • Defense Intelligence Agency, not Defense Intelligence Agency of the United States
  • Special Activities Division, ...
  • Special Activities Division, ...
  • Military Health System, ...
  • Government Digital Service, not Government Digital Service of the United Kingdom
  • Chancellor of the Exchequer, not Chancellor of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom
  • etc.

There is no need for a special exception here. --Joshua Issac (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support per nom and User:Joshua Issac. There is no ambiguity and Union Council of Ministers has been a stable redirect to this article for five years. —  AjaxSmack  23:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

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Template:Modi ministry

Template:Modi ministry formet currently used on both , Union Council of Ministers and Modi ministry is not so effective! I think union council of minister should be listed all three category separately

• Cabinet Ministers
• MoS (independent charge)---(first portfolio then name of MoS)
• MoS-----(also first portfolio)

+++++other changing reshuffle is not relevant for this article! rather for Modi Ministry . for example Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs listed on template is relevant for modi ministry but not for Cabinet of India as it currently defunct or submerged! 3 Ministries previously held by cabinet minister but currently under MoST --- important issue for Modi Ministry but not for union Cabinet! why they are in Cabinet Minister list !!!Template:Modi ministry is perfectly okey for article Modi ministry but not here !here should be only the current ministries and ministers not the reshuffle history !!!After banal Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Modi ministry, its important now to clear up the fact and differences of both articles!! ——134.95.7.246 (talk) 08:01, 26 April 2017 (UTC) User:CAPTAIN RAJU, any thoughts !? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.95.7.246 (talk) 08:12, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Inclusion of some topics

1. OATH OF MINISTERS 2. RESPONSIBILITY OF MINISTERS

         • collective responsibility
         • individual responsibility
         • no legal responsibility
Mehtaab fathima (talk) 09:30, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

We need references and what content. Also, it needs to be concise. Adamgerber80 (talk) 15:01, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

New Council of Ministers (2019)

This article should be updated according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Modi_ministry 49.204.219.185 (talk) 10:19, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

The new cabinet after 2019 election

Please someone musy add the name of new cabinet ministers with their portfolios.. Atomicityuser (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Jaishankar not an independent MP

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, the Minister of External Affairs, is not an MP yet — according to law, he needs to be elected to either house within 6 months of his swearing-in. The list wrongly categorises him as an independent MP. 49.204.219.185 (talk) 13:24, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2019

Insert "केंद्रीय मंत्री परिषद" in the first line as- "The Union Council of Ministers(केंद्रीय मंत्री परिषद) exercises executive authority in the Republic of India."

and Insert "केंद्रीय मंत्रिमंडल" in the fourth line as- "A smaller executive body called the Union Cabinet(केंद्रीय मंत्रिमंडल) is the supreme decision-making body in India." 182.19.8.85 (talk) 07:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: See MOS:IS. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Is the left office column necessary ?

Because the section is about current council of ministers , I guess left office date is completely unnecessary.

P.S. I am new to wikipedia and this is my.first discussion TheParadoxicalWizard (talk) 16:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2019

Minister of Heavy Industries and Public Enterprises Arvind Sawant has been resigned his post and it was accepted by the President of India. And also Prakash Javadekar was the additional incharge for that portfolio.So please update the current details 2402:3A80:546:92F5:5F:AB4:B20:7866 (talk) 05:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done for now: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 11:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2019

Humbly request a Hindi and Hunterian name bracketed, like all the other Asian countries have, as follow: The Union Council of Ministers (Hindi: केन्द्रीय मंत्रिमण्डल, Kendriya Mantrimandal) exercises... 2406:3003:2073:2DAB:99A4:FF0A:D545:C4BF (talk) 20:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done per MOS:INDICSCRIPT. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 21:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2020

I would like to add the following information:

Since at least the turn of the millennia, evidence indicates that an MP’s electoral performance enhances the likelihood of being granted a ministerial portfolio. 82.40.245.248 (talk) 10:37, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

 Done in Appointment section with minor citation style changes. --Nemoschool (talk to me) 15:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2021

Please replace:

• 2 instances of {{Cabinet table start|hiderefcol=y}} with {{Cabinet table start}}; (removed from original request after review and reply)
• 2 instances of {{Cabinet table end|hiderefcol=y}} with {{Cabinet table end}}.

Thank you. 84.69.182.103 (talk) 11:25, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: I don't see a reason to show the ref column when the references are given before the tables. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. My request should have only included the replacement of {{Cabinet table end|hiderefcol=y}} with {{Cabinet table end}} (ie. the second bullet point). The template:Cabinet table end does not support the "hiderefcol" parameter and its presence places the page in the hidden category:Pages using end template with unknown parameters. 84.69.182.103 (talk) 15:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:18, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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