Talk:Union Square, Manhattan

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Clarification needed for wikilink revision

Given the sentence from the article "Union Square is also the site of an important subway station; 14th Street-Union Square, a stop on the 4, 5, 6, L, N, Q, R, and W trains", should the wikilink shown here point at 14th Street-Union Square (BMT Broadway Line station) or 14th Street-Union Square (IRT Lexington Avenue Line station). Thanks for the clarification. Courtland 03:53, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

RNC protest

I sincerely doubt the RNC protest was the most notable protest ever to start in Union Square. In any case, such an assertion can't stand without some citation. I altered to make it clear that this was perhaps the most notable recent protest to start there. If anyone has hard figures or a reliable historical perspective, I invite them to add it. --Tcatts 18:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

You are right - Union Square has many notable protests. Appropriate change. If anyone has photos of either the RNC or the Camp Casey protests, please upload. It would be worthwhile to have a separate section similar to the Greenmarket one for the protests and vigils that are oft-held there. --DavidShankBone 23:12, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

History

The article lacks knowledge of the rich historical significance of the square.--Gkklein 14:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Separate section for sculptures of Union Square?

There are many sculptures within Union Square, perhaps there should be a separate sub-section specifically for the art of Union Square? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.173.210.195 (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Creation and architects

I added a source for the founding date of 1832. I can't find any sources that say that it opened in 1939. As to the architects, I really can't find anything on Olmsted and Vaux having been the architects. Can we get some sources before we start changing things? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 03:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

And besides that, get a clue about the infobox structure - you can't just put anything you want in it, there are preset parameters. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 04:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Um, was that directed at me? And why did you remove my reference? I'm putting it back.. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 05:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it was directed at User:Jacomo. As for your ref, yes I seem to have deleted it, but I'm not sure why -- it wasn't intentional on my part. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 10:10, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Commerce

Umm, a section is to be called "Greenmarket and local businesses"? Why? "Commerce" more precisely describes a section that is all about people selling things, while some parts are not about greenmarket and not about local business, unless a branch of a chain store like Staples be regarded as one or the other. "Commerce" is also shorter. Jim.henderson (talk) 03:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Alhough you are correct that "commerce" is the factor that ties together the greenmarket and local businesses, the main thrust of the section is the greenmarket, and "commerce" does not in any way adequately describe it. As an institution, it's much more than about "people selling things", and has meaning for the people who use it that transcends that rather pedestrian description. As such, the section needs to retain "Greenmarket" in the section title. (Not only that, but "commerce" is such a stuffy and almost antiquated word, seen these days mostly in the form of "commercial".)

If you want to try seperating the greenmarket stuff from the stuff about local stores into two seperate sections, I suppose that's worth trying, but, again, "commerce" is not really the nub of that information either, which is more about the makeup of the area. Perhaps the greenmarket info could stand on its own, and the local business info be integrated into a general section about the neighborhood surrounding the square. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 06:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I wouldn't suggest adding more text or sections. If anything along those lines, better to trim out from the first paragraph institutional matters already well covered in the separate Greenmarket article, and delete the header of the following BID section, since the association of merchants is properly worthy of only an unTOCked paragraph within the commercial section.

"Commerce" is stuffy, antiquated and pedestrian? While, in contrast, "Greenmarket and local businesses" is what? Hip, trendy, and chivalrous? That's not how the comparison looks to me. Anyway as I read WP:TONE stuffy is not bad; maybe even good in moderation. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

"Greenmarket and local businesses" wasn't my choice -- I was perfectly happy with "Greenmarket" and allowing the local biz stuff to stay in as a bit of related information that spilled over from the topic. It can go back to hip, trendy and chivalrous (?) "Greenmarket". Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ^{(talk / cont)} 02:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Hip hop

This article should briefly mention a thing or two about the birth of hip hop music and culture and the use of union square by many talented legendary acts to project their style and music —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.113.143 (talk) 00:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Um, can you give us some examples of people that would fit that? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Article cleanup

the article at this writing includes incomplete citations, employs multiple date styles and has various assertions, including entire paragraphs without attributions. i have attempted to cure some, and have been categorically reversed.--96.232.126.111 (talk) 18:38, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Give me a minute, because I think I misjudged your initial edit, and I'm going to try to figure out how to restore most of it, and also put in the subsequent changes I made -- so hold on. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I reverted back to your second edit ("typo"), and put in most of the changes I made subsequently. I removed the linkrot tag, as I do not believe it is pertinent any longer (please see recent discussions on WP:AN about overuse of this tag). I think and hope, this is a compromise we can agree on. I'm not sure why I got the impression that your initial edits were not helpful to the article, but I did, and my actions were based on that. I see now that I was wrong, so I apologize for that. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:59, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem

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content dispute over street chess scene

User:Beyond My Ken disputes that my additions to the chess scene are not "relevant". I would like some further discussion on this issue. I do not think I am giving undue weight to the scene due to the large visibility that the chess scene has in the southwest corner of the square, and the fact that it is well documented. It has in fact, expanded in size in recent years (due to the migration from Washington Square Park, and Beyond My Ken is not responding to my messages on his user talk page. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 22:27, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion should take place on the article talk page, not on a user's talk page. You don't think it's too much weight to go into detail about the people who play chess, their ethnicity, and their motivations for doing so? I do. You say you want to write an article about them - go ahead, we'll see if it survives notability. BMK (talk) 22:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Oppression of people of color is a well-documented issue in New York City, and in the United States. This is a case of intersectionality. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

This is a case of undue weight.

Per WP:BRD, the article stays in the status quo ante while discussion is going on. What you're doing is edit warring and it can get you blocked, so please stop until there is a consensus in this discussion. BMK (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

What exactly is being given undue weight here? There are many street vendors at Union Square. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

A minor aspect of the park is being given much more coverage that it deserves. It's as if you decided to write a full section on the skateboarders. Your POV here as a participant is misleading you into thinking this is important ... it is not. Now, please stop re-inserting the material. If you want to float a "compromise", do it here, not in the article. BMK (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I've tried really hard to edit collaboratively. At first, I was puzzled why you reverted me without explanation. Then, I tried to improve on my existing edit by adding sources. For my third edit, I tried to trim the text as you requested, and make the text tighter but I feel you're not trying to collaborate with me and are just being antagonistic. Yanping Nora Soong (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

No, you want to get in as much as you can about the activity you participate it, and it's still undue. What was in the article was sufficient, perhaps another sentence your disquisition on the ethnicity and motivations of the chessplayers has no place in the article.

BTW, filing a 3RR is not "editing collaboratively, in my view. This discussion is. BMK (talk) 23:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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Add to the social and political activism section: .Emma Goldman"s contribution .Black Lives Matter Movement

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/goldman/MeetEmmaGoldman/birthcontrolpioneer.html https://www.britannica.com/event/Comstock-Ac

```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jordanne Brown (talk • contribs) 02:12, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Adding on to the history section

I plan on expanding the history section of the Union Square article to include some history on labor strikes and nickelodeons which existed in the early 20th century. I want to expand the "social and political activism" section of the article because a bulk of it only mentions events which happened in the 19th century and then pretty much jumps to modern day.

I would include info from:

Monkey Business in Union Square: A Cultural Analysis of the Klein's-Ohrbach's Strikes of 1934-5

Manhattan Nickelodeons: New Data on Audiences and Exhibitors

Piotr Lapinski (talk) 03:32, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Unclear sentence

"In the early years of the park a fence surrounded the square's central oval planted with radiating walks lined with trees."

What is that intended to say? How can an oval, or indeed anything, be "planted with radiating walks"? Harfarhs (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Map language

Why are the labels in the OpenStreetMap in a Slavic language? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (<sup>talk to me!</sup>/<sub>my edits</sub>) 06:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

This is so funny. Multiple OpenStreetMap embeds seem to have this problem - all the area labels in Manhattan alone seem to be in Croatian. The other parts of NYC and other cities are still in English. Maybe a problem over at OSM? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (<sup>talk to me!</sup>/<sub>my edits</sub>) 07:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)