Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I have relocated the international content from the article Socialized medicine (which is now focused more tightly on American political discourse) to the sections here on Australia, Cuba, China, Finland, Israel and Russia. The additional material needs integrating into the relevant individual sections here. That is, each of the expanded individual countries' content needs to be checked for coherence and to remove any repetition. There was also quite a lot of material about the UK that was taken from Socialized medicine and because the UK section here is already big, I placed the extra content on the Talk page of Healthcare in the United Kingdom, from where it needs to be moved into the best place among a number of articles about healthcare in that country. Whiteghost.ink (talk) 02:14, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
UHC Map
Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Developments in Universal Health Coverage can be tracked using the ILO's Global Extension of Social Security (GESS) website as well as the International Social Security Association website. However, universal coverage must be measured not only in terms of legislation but also in terms of access. According to the ILO's World Social Security Report (2010/11) "In order to achieve the objectives of social health protection, legal universal coverage needs to lead to effective access to health services," as in some countries all people may be covered by law but "in reality they do not have such access when they need it."
Thus, measuring Universal Health Coverage requires not only measuring legislation but also several factors which indicate effective access, including formal health coverage, maternal mortality ratio, out of pocket expenditure, relative deficit in health spending, and percentage of population not covered due to health professional staff deficit.
Universal health coverage cannot be tracked using the ILO's Global Extension of Social Security (GESS) website or the International Social Security Association (ISSA) website.
The ILO's error-filled World Social Security Report (2010/11)—which says the United States has universal 100% health insurance coverage—is not a WP:Reliable source.
Trivia does not belong in the lede of a Wikipedia article. Apatens (talk) 14:34, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
What about Turkey ?
Latest comment: 8 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I lived in Turkey and they also have a Universal Health Care system which is not as good and as well funded as in Europe but still everyone can have an access. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.110.186 (talk) 18:03, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Now?
Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
The date for the list of countries with coverage is 2009. Is there a source for more recent information? Things may have changed since then. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 20:40, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Map
Latest comment: 6 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
The map seems inaccurate/outdated. For example, it shows Malaysia not having a universal healthcare system, and then the article states it does. Someone needs to make a new one, and hopefully include countries in the process of implementing universal healthcare (such as Indonesia, which is currently creating the largest single-payer healthcare system in the world).--RM (Be my friend) 11:26, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Mapchart.net source if anyone needs to update it: {"groups":{"#33a02c":{"div":"#box0","label":"Free and Universal Health Care","paths":["Albania","Algeria","Andorra","Antigua and Barbuda","Argentina","Australia","Austria","Bahamas","Bahrain","Barbados","Belarus","Belgium","Bhutan","Bolivia","Bosnia and Herzegovina","Botswana","Brazil","Brunei Darussalam","Bulgaria","Burkina Faso","Canada","Chile","China","Colombia","Cook Islands","Costa Rica","Croatia","Cuba","Cyprus","Czech Republic","Denmark","Ecuador","Eritrea","Estonia","Fiji","Finland","France","Gabon","Georgia","Germany","Greece","Guernsey","Guyana","Hong Kong","Hungary","Iceland","Iran","Ireland","Isle of Man","Israel","Italy","Jamaica","Japan","Jersey","Kazakhstan","Kiribati","Kuwait","Latvia","Liechtenstein","Lithuania","Luxembourg","Macau","Macedonia","Malaysia","Maldives","Malta","Mauritius","Mexico","Moldova","Monaco","Montenegro","Namibia","Nauru","Netherlands","New Zealand","Niue","North Korea","Norway","Oman","Pakistan","Palau","Panama","Paraguay","Peru","Poland","Portugal","Qatar","Romania","Russia","Rwanda","Saint Lucia","Saint Vincent and the Grenadines","Samoa","San Marino","Saudi Arabia","Serbia","Seychelles","Singapore","Slovakia","Slovenia","South Korea","Spain","Sri Lanka","Sweden","Switzerland","Taiwan","Thailand","Timor-Leste","Tonga","Trinidad and Tobago","Tunisia","Turkey","Tuvalu","Ukraine","United Arab Emirates","United Kingdom","Uruguay","Uzbekistan","Vanuatu","Venezuela","Zambia","Saudi_Arabia","Czechia","New_Zealand","Greenland","United_Kingdom","Burkina_Faso","South_Korea","North_Korea","Sri_Lanka"]},"#50ff50":{"div":"#box1","label":"Universal Health Care","paths":["Belize","Ghana"]},"#2b8cbe":{"div":"#box2","label":"Free but not Universal","paths":["Armenia","Azerbaijan","Bangladesh","Benin","Cabo Verde","Central African Republic","Congo","Cote d Ivoire","DR Congo","Djibouti","Egypt","El Salvador","Equatorial Guinea","Ethiopia","Guatemala","Honduras","India","Kyrgyzstan","Laos","Lesotho","Libya","Madagascar","Malawi","Mongolia","Morocco","Myanmar","Nepal","Nicaragua","Papua New Guinea","Philippines","Solomon Islands","South Africa","Swaziland","São Tomé and Príncipe","Tanzania","Togo","Uganda","Viet Nam","Yemen","South_Africa","Papua_New_Guinea","French_Guiana","DR_Congo","Central_African_Republic","Cote_d_Ivoire","Vietnam"]},"#e41a1c":{"div":"#box3","label":"No free or universal healthcare","paths":["Afghanistan","Angola","Burundi","Cambodia","Cameroon","Chad","Comoros","Dominica","Dominican Republic","Gambia","Grenada","Guinea","Guinea-Bissau","Haiti","Indonesia","Iraq","Jordan","Kenya","Lebanon","Liberia","Mali","Marshall Islands","Mauritania","Micronesia","Mozambique","Niger","Nigeria","Saint Kitts and Nevis","Senegal","Sierra Leone","Somalia","South Sudan","Sudan","Suriname","Syria","Tajikistan","Turkmenistan","United States","Zimbabwe","South_Sudan","Sierra_Leone","United_States"]}},"title":"","hidden":[],"borders":"#000000"}Mirarkitty (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Israel
Latest comment: 6 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
In Israel you have to pay an amount of about $40 each month to have medical insurance. Otherwise you are not eligible and have to pay for medical services in cache. Also, specialist doctors are not free even if under insurance. Hospitalization is covered, but to go to the hospital you typically need a recommendation from a paid specialist. Prescription medicines are paid. Also, ambulance is paid and very expensive even for the insured.--Reciprocist (talk) 09:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Indonesia
Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
As of at least 2014, Indonesia has a universal health care program (or at least a program aiming for universal healthcare) with the launch of a compulsory national health insurance. List and graph needs updating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Septmars (talk • contribs) 07:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Latest comment: 4 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
The map doesn't explain the difference between 'free and universal', 'universal but not free' and 'free but not universal'. In the article it says nothing about South Africa except that the health system is bad. About Egypt it says that hospitals are provided for anyone who needs them, which sounds like free and universal, but on the map its listed as free but not universal, and the DRC for example is on the map as free but not universal, but not listed in the article at all, there are many countries like this. This map should probably be removed until a good source can be found. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.166.140.150 (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree with the anon. If the map's label categories aren't explained in the article, then it's the wrong map for this article. I will look for a better option to replace it. - Frankie1969 (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
Germany is ot universal
Latest comment: 4 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Text says Germany is not free universal. but paid for 10% of population.
So why it is not blue color on the map? Qualitas (talk) 05:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
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Reccomendation to add California and Maryland to list?
Latest comment: 2 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I think we should add California and Maryland to the list of places with universal healthcare, California and Maryland are both universal but not free. Also, Switzerland is universal but not free and so is Singapore. Pogchampange (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Because this page is about countries. Is there a page about minimum wage laws in countries that breaks it down by US state? Plus, the definition of universal health care used in this page is by country; namely, does the country as a whole provide universal health care? For example, in a federation like Canada, there is universal health care; all Canadians are covered, regardless which province they live in, or which province they move to. That's the concept of universal health care being used in this article. Two states providing it, without portability to other parts of the country, is not universal health care in that country. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Criteria for inclusion
Latest comment: 2 years ago5 comments5 people in discussion
Since this page is called 'Universal health coverage by country' (and consists, initially, of descriptions taken from the Universal health coverage article), we should have some criteria for what makes a country eligible to be on this list. Any ideas? One criteria I think should be that a 3rd party source has covered the health system in the country and called it a program of 'Universal healthcare' or 'universal health coverage'.--KarlB (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
A good example of why this is necessary is Hong Kong's entry. It explains some of the reasons Hong Kong has a good healthcare system, but says nothing about if that healthcare is actually universal or not. While there's a link to Hong Kong's healthcare system, the current body of that entry has no bearing on this article.--68.69.245.84 (talk) 09:47, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Whether people call a country's system a "universal health care" program or not seems arbitrary and subjective. The description of Mauritius, for instance, mentions that "The Government of Mauritius operates a system of medical facilities that provide treatment to citizens free of charge." But this is also true of the United States, which is not listed as a country with "universal health care" – in the U.S., these facilities are often called "clinics" (e.g. City Clinic on 7th Street in San Francisco) or "emergency rooms". Starchild (talk) 04:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the link for Mauritius is dead, and I've not been able to find a substitute reliable source. However, to respond to your general question, the answer is in the lead paragraph of the article: "Government-guaranteed health care for all citizens of a country, sometimes called "Universal health coverage", is a broad concept that has been implemented in several ways." The fact that some governments in the US fund clinics or emergency rooms does not meet that definition. Universal coverage means all medical conditions are covered. For example, the federal funding provisions for emergency rooms in the US end once the patient is stabilised. Further care that is not an emergency is not necessarily covered. That doesn't occur in systems of universal health care coverage. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:45, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Why do some countries have 'Free Health care' but not 'Universal Health Care'? I'd think the former implies the latter.
Why is the list of countries sorted randomly? I'd sort it for you if you wish, but wonder if there's method.Jamesdowallen (talk) 07:34, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Countries with 100% Universal Care?
Latest comment: 2 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion
This page lists countries which do NOT have universal health care, notably the United States. As such, it is deceptive and unhelpful.
Going by the text of the article, it appears that Brazil is the only country that actually has universal health care:
"As of 2021, Brazil is the only country where any individual within the state’s jurisdiction is eligible to receive instant, free and complete healthcare with no previous application, which covers all treatments, surgeries and medications at any condition, whether resident or non-resident, regardless of ethnicity, nationality, or visa, including tourists, passengers in transit, and refugees."
The usual definition of universal health care is that it's based on providing health care to the citizens and residents of the country. Brazil goes beyond that to not tie health care to residency, but the general approach of this article is based on health care for citizens and residents. If you think that definition should be changed, please feel free to start a RfC. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:00, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Additionally, Medicare isn't mentioned in the US, although other similar systems in other countries seem to qualify them as having "universal" healthcare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:8000:9f90:a57c:2480:f18f:116c (talk) 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Medicare in the US is age-based, for people over 65, and requires premiums if the individual didn't work enough quarters to earn social security. That's not universal coverage. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 13:00, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
Dutch system is much closer to Swiss rather than any other European healthcare systems. People are obliged to pay for private insurance from their own money. It's not part of any tax but an amount demanded by an insurer the same for everyone. It's definitely not free in the sense it's free in e.g. France or Germany. It doesn't seem sensible to call the Dutch healthcare system free especially that it's highly criticized for being not affordable for the poor. The poor must pay the insurance fee every month and got access to a free GP. However, they often can't afford real treatments as in order to have a treatment they need to pay for it themselves and the insurer starts covering the amount only after reaching some limit. And some can't afford spending this amount. it is definitely not a free healthcare system
Also as the proponents of this system claim it uses the forces of free market to get the most efficient workings. Free market doesn't seem like free healthcare. It is universal but not free. 45.93.75.81 (talk) 19:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
As stated in the main page for healthcare in the Netherlands, "If you don't take out insurance, you risk a fine" for ages between 18 and retirement. That cannot be called free. Heavy edits are required.--Megustalastrufas (talk) 11:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Why? This page is not about free health care. It is about universal health care, which is a system that ensures that all citizens have access to health care. One method for this is by mandating insurance. The Commonwealth Fund defines the Netherlands as a country with universal health care because 99.8% of the population is insured. Rednikki (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Definition in lede and criteria for inclusion should be more clear
Latest comment: 2 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I think the current list can be justified if it's made clear that the term "universal health care" is treated as a purely legal issue, unrelated to actual treatment practices or results. All the countries on the list probably do offer "Government-guaranteed health care". On the other hand, "guaranteed" kind of implies that they also follow through and actually provide everyone with health care, which is clearly untrue for many of the countries on the list. For instance, the World Bank ranks India and Burkina Faso quite low in their Universal Health Coverage ranking (https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/640121513095868125/pdf/122029-WP-REVISED-PUBLIC.pdf), while the United States has a very high ranking. It should be clear that India and Burkina Faso are part of this list because they have enacted legislation that gives everyone a theoretical right to health care, not because this right is actually enforced. (For comparison, a "List of countries with free speech" should make it very clear whether the criteria for inclusion are the presence of free speech legislation, or whether people in the country actually have free speech.)
I also think it can be argued that the US has had "some form of government action aimed at broadly extending access to health care and setting minimum standards". If this is to be a list of countries with a certain property, excluding all others, that property should be more clearly defined.
An alternative is to remake this list into something like a "List of countries by universal health care coverage", and include all countries for which we have relevant information. Ornilnas (talk) 03:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
