Talk:University at Albany, SUNY/Archive 1

Archive 1

Flagship Status

In 2021, the governor proposed changing the SUNY system from having four flagship campuses (the four Carnegie R1 universities) to having only two. That has been proposed by past governors as well, but each time, the legislature has decided to keep the four-flagship structure. While the two schools named potential flagships in this latest proposal (Buffalo and Stony Brook) have started talking about it as if it has already been approved, the legislature has not yet considered her proposal. 67.246.42.148 (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Construction Timelines

I'm pretty sure the uptown campus was built/finishing in the 60's, not the 50's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.173.86 (talk) 04:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

SUNY at Albany?

State University of New York at Albany? RickK 03:51, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The University's official name is University at Albany, State University of New York. Darkcore 08:35, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Incorrect. The legal name is State University of New York at Albany. Other names are acceptable but official SUNY unit names are used, for example, in legislation: http://www.suny.edu/communications/pdf/campusnames-2010.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.109.173 (talk) 06:16, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

It is by law The State University of New York at Albany. So why does't the legal name appear in the host of names listed in the article? Tomandzeke (talk) 08:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Humanities Cuts

The fact that SEVERAL humanities departments were recently cut needs to be addressed somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.43.127 (talk) 06:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Colleges and Schools

The page incorrectly states Albany has the only School of Public Health within SUNY. Buffalo has a School of Public Health and Health Professions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.78.98.78 (talk) 00:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Noted alumni

Removed *Laila Bella Mustopa(office furniture guru), (B.S. 2000, Political Science) sorry -- google hit the wikipedia entry first. not exactly "noted" unless there's something we're missing here. Please respond here with citations to reconsider.

yanked some more non-notable alumni. Particularly professional LAX and soccer players, and state reps. Come 'on people! There's still a large list of non-notables on the list, but there's only so much time. Notable is notable, not dependent on the school, etc. If every school listed their professional B-sports players, state reps, and ex-fund managers --- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.5.24.11 (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

yanked some non-notable alumni. This isn't a classnotes section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.5.24.11 (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. But if a wikipedia page exists for someone, isn't that prima facie evidence for their notability? If it isn't, what criteria do we use? --Igoldste (talk) 11:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I edited the notable alumni in March 2009 to move some (what I believe to be) non-notable alumni - why would a counsel of a corporation, a sports/talent agent or the editor of a pysch journal be notable? Just because there's a bio page established elsewhere on wiki doesn't make someone notable IMO - it could be that there is some self-posting going on. 64.81.20.194 (talk) 15:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Rankings and Admission Claims

20:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC) also in rankings -- are there any better sources for nanotech rankings than Smalltimes? I know this is a real nanoscience publication, but the other rankings come from US News, etc. If there's a more credible source, it should be used even if the school isn't "#1" anymore. FWIW, I googled this and can't find another source of nanotech/nanoengineering ranking.

20:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)~ moved public ivy claim to rankings. not appropriate in opening paragraph. Also, as I've said elsewhere, there's no real such thing as a "public ivy". This is a made-up term. There's no formal league, list, etc., and 'membership' is determined by whomever makes up the list. Here's my public IVY list: Wichita State, UNC-Chapel Hill (for credibility), Bunker Hill Community College.

04:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)~~ in the spirit of removing editorial and editorial (promotional and inflammatory) masquerading as "facts", further cleaned up "rankings" section. Normalized language. Added NSF funding rank.

62.50.194.5 00:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) I pulled admit information -- the section is called "Rankings", not "Admissions", and other schools don't list much else aside from US News if anything. Most of the information here is subjective, apart from the SUNY official data. Not sure why this section is being used to talk about three other specific schools. The information is available easily elsewhere, and the comments below seem more opinion than fact; no footnotes, anecdotes, etc. Princeton review in particular is suspect. This is supposed to be information, not PR rants.

00:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) Albany's admit rate is way down as well, with record apps.

According to Kiplinger's as well as the National Education trust, Binghamton's admit rate is much lower than the other centers. This year, application have already passed 25,000, they were over 23,000 last year, and Binghamton has the smallest incoming class of the 4 centers.

00:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC) no data for below (e.g., AP credits, etc.)

Additionally, there is more to admission criteria, such as percent of students bringing advanced creadit from AP's, etc. (better than a candidate with the same SAT score and GPA, but no advanced credit). Binghamton has over 92% of incoming students with advanced credit. The point being, for the less than 20% of students who overlap in SAT scores, there are other criteria that likely divide them as candidates. -- maybe so, but no data.

I would agree that UB and SBU both come closer in their admission criteria, but still not as close as implied.

Let's not forget that this is supposed to remain a NPOV article, not promotional material or a means of building equity between schools.

I deleted the note that claimed a student eligible for admission at one SUNY University Center is equally eligable at any another of the 4 centers. Using their very own refrence (http://www.suny.edu/student/downloads/Pdf/2006_Admissions_QF_StateOp.pdf) you'll notice that Albany's middle 50% of SAT scores falls entirely beneath Binghamton's average. In fact, 80% or more of Albany students fall below Binghamton's average (http://albany.askadmission.net/albany/aeresults.aspx?Quser=sat&Ask=Ask) 25% of Binghamton students, for instance, have above a 1360 SAT and above a 95 high school average. That is a rather large desperity. Buffalo and Stony brook do fall closer, however admissions criteria are clearly ordered from least to most selective as follows: Albany, Buffalo, Stony Brook, Binghamton. Additionally, Binghamton has an unusually large (though successful)EOP program which creates average SAT and GPA lower than representative of the typical non-EOP applicant.

Not sure I agree here. It's true that Binghamton has a higher average, but even still with 20% of the Albany class hitting or exceeding the average for Binghamton this is fair overlap. And those two Universities are the bookends on your list, so I think the overlap is really significant. Especially between Albany, SB, and Buffalo. The other campuses seem like hair splitting on admits, and for the current class (2006 freshman) I think the Albany admit rate was significantly lower than buff or sb, and I *think* lower than binghamton although grades/SAT may be similar. Albany published theirs (65% down to 55% admit, with higher grades/SAT), but other campuses have not yet.

I'm not sure I agree with the ordering -- looks to me like Albany * Stony Brook have almost identical freshman admits, Buffalo very close, then a small step to Binghamton.

We'll update it in a few months when the next data set is available in any case. All four SUNY campuses have very large EOP programs. Where is the data than Binghamton's is any larger?

Notable Students

This is a section for students who stand out in Albany. IE Jon Rabinowitz, while many may not know him outside of Albany, he is still known in the pokerworld, similar to how Ozzy57 who plays poker professionally and at the level/stakes of the pros is not well known by non-poker fanatics but that dosn't mean he isn't noteworthy.

Removed again - no evidence of notability. Unreferenced, and no relevant google hits (that I can see) for "Jon Rabinowitz" poker. Mr Stephen 19:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I would vote for non notable, unless poker playing is an esteemed profession well known in the world Chivista 15:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Reuqest for help on article

Would anyone with a lot of familiarity with any of the university's departments, aspects, etc. like to jump in and fill in the blanks on anything? I'm a current student here, but I can't possibly cover everything. :) I'm already planning to take my digital camera around campus and grab photos of as much as I can. - Korpios 04:26, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

America East champs... baby! 3/11/2006

The men's BB team is going to the Big Dance! John wesley 21:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

No moral victories

No moral victories because the only way to advance is to actually win. John wesley 17:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

DJ Smitty section unecessary + needs sources

This section has no cited sources and adds nothing to the article. SUNYA has always had its scandals. heck, when I was there, it had several juicer than this one including some sad ones (rapes, murders and disappearances of students). Someone make a case for the DJ Smitty section or I'll remove it. Also, add appropriate citations.Lisapollison 01:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Student Disappearances

I am considering adding a brief section on the two most famous cases of SUNYA student disappearances, that of Karen Wilson (Class of 1986) in 1985 and that of Suzanne Lyall in 1998 (Class unknown possily 2000). Neither case has ever been solved. Their cases were investigated by Campus security and resulted in serious public safety movements on campus. The Don't Walk Alone Program was created in response to Karen's disappearance. These were very significant events in the University's history. For? Against? Please comment.Lisapollison 10:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Article too long

I don't disagree that it rambles a bit -- . I checked Harvard's, and yes it's shorter, but Harvard also has entries for each of its schools. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.5.24.11 (talk) 12:57, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is longer than counterparts like SUNY Geneseo, SUNY Binghamton, etc. and is even longer than Harvard Univeristy! Needs to be slimmed down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.118.190 (talk) 09:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Moving the fight song and/or the alma mater to wikisource

As per WP:NPS, "Smaller sources and samples are acceptable in articles." Since these are short sources, I think that they should stay here. Also, while this might fall under the heading of "if everyone else jumped off a bridge...", wikisource does not appear to contain any other college fight songs or alma maters. --Igoldste (talk) 02:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

• Until we know their authors and dates of first publication, they cannot go in either Wikipedia or Wikisource, because without those their copyright status cannot be determined. I have removed them. Please find out who owns the copyright to these lyrics. Uncle G (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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Does anyone know the recent racial make-up of the students of this college

I think it would be informative if we added something about it as some people may find it useful to know what percentage their race/ethnicity represents.--96.232.55.223 (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it could be beneficial to add the racial make-up of the school since it is known as a very proudly diverse campus especially when it comes to its organizations on campus... this link could be a source for this section if added Kristenforehand (talk) 22:12, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Notable faculty

Since Alan Chartock is notable enough to have an article here on wikipedia I wonder why he is not listed in the notable faculty section...the article on Alan Chartock does mentions "He is also a Professor Emeritus of political science and communications, at the State University of New York" and I know it's the University at Albany because I took his class, and I assume it is still this university in the SUNY system that he teaches at and that he doesnt travel all the way to Binghamton or something. Was he left out for some reason or just missed? If it wasnt intentional I would like to put him in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camelbinky (talk • contribs) 12:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Style problems

The introduction to this article appears to be directly copied from an old version of this page
Also, most of the article seems to be advertising for the university which makes me think that other material might have been directly copied, although I haven't been able to find any direct sources as of yet. The article should be rewritten to remove potentially copyrighted material and to make it more neutral and factual and to remove certain advertising buzz words and phrases.
DoC352 (talk) 19:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Assessment

I reevaluated this article to C-Class due to its large lack of inline references for an article this long. ~ ωαdεstεr16_«talk^stalk» 06:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair use for UAlbany Seal

Some objections have been raised by UAlbany staff and administration at the use of the seal on this article. They refer to the school's policy that the seal is to be used only on official University documents, and they claim that the policy applies to this article.

The problem with this argument comes from the fact that the school's policy is based on copyright. The copyright holder (in this case the university) grants license for others to use their copyrighted image only in certain circumstances (on official university communications.)

This argument does not apply to a wikipedia article however, because the use in this instance is considered fair use under the policies of Wikipedia and ultimately under United States Copyright Law. As fair use, the use of this image does not require special permission or license from the copyright holder, and thus can be used in a manner which might be contrary to the copyright holder's established policies regarding use of the copyrighted work. DoC352 (talk) 18:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, the image in question is image:UAlbany_seal_lowres.png
DoC352 (talk) 05:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

An editor removed the seal citing the University at Albany Graphic Identity Manual. This manual, however, is applicable to stationery, publications, websites, etc. under control of the University. It is not applicable to Wikipedia generally or to this page specifically. The use of the seal on Wikipedia is not subject to University approval. —teb728 t c 02:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

It has since been removed again and got deleted for being orphaned. I have restored it. Stifle (talk) 19:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I have no preference whether the infobox uses the seal or the logo. But the logo image includes the name as text; so when the infobox uses the logo, it should not use the name parameter. Conversely, when it uses the seal, it should also use the name parameter. —teb728 t c 23:04, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

WP:UNI guidelines specifies that we use the seal in the infobox. Racepacket (talk) 18:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

• The seal needs to stay. SUNY Albany internal rules do not apply to anyone not under the authority of SUNY Albany. As {{non-free school logo}} says, "This image of an university's logo, seal, or crest may be subject to internal institutional restrictions, including a prohibition on use without permission from the administration or public relations department. These restrictions are not binding on anyone outside of the university."--GrapedApe (talk) 13:28, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Why not just University at Albany?

There's no point in using this long name when the University at Buffalo doesn't even have SUNY in its article name, especially given WP:COMMONNAME. Buffaboy ^talk 22:16, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

I agree with the above comment by Buffaboy. I propose to just use "University at Albany" as the article name. The University at Buffalo doesn't have SUNY in its article name. Everyone knows that the "University at Albany" is a State University of New York (SUNY) university. WP:COMMONNAME. NewYorkRepub100 ^talk 02:13, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Requested renaming/move December 9, 2017

I propose to move this article from University at Albany, SUNY back over the redirect created by the initial page move to this title to University at Albany, State University of New York as per WP:COMMONNAME. --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 17:26, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Libraries

Isn't there a third library connected with SUNY? It's not talked about in this section where I feel like there should be a little more information on it/the libraries. This link has a good background on the third library (Dewey Graduate Library on the downtown campus) or

A history for the libraries could be provided for this source? Kristenforehand (talk) 22:55, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Article Evaluation

Why aren't there any talk about any of the sports teams/ sports in general? The article doesn't mention anything about sports and I think a big thing the school is known for within the last few years is their D1 teams. Kristenforehand (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Name change

For simplicity, I recommend changing the name of this article to University at Albany. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 00:19, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Requested renaming/move 28 February 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. While a GNews search shows the no-SUNY version has more hits, a generic GSearch shows more SUNY hits. Primefac (talk) 13:56, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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University at Albany, SUNY → University at Albany – Opening this discussion due to a recent suggestion made by Buffaboy to rename the article "University at Albany". Please discuss below on whether to support a renaming/moving of the article. Thank you. - NewYorkRepub100 4:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@NewYorkRepub100: can you provide examples that show it's the WP:COMMONNAME? These need to third-party or secondary sources that are reliable. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 12:51, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I have an example to show that the "University at Albany" is the WP:COMMONNAME. The official SUNY website (suny.edu) just uses the name "University at Albany". Here is the website. Thank you. - NewYorkRepub100, 14:50, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@NewYorkRepub100: I don't think you read my second sentence... you need a reliable secondary or third-party source; not the university website. Examples are newspapers, tv stations, etc. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 00:58, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I strongly disagree from your previous comments in which you wanted a third-party source. Third-party sources are not as accurate as a first-party source such as a website representing the institution. I would like to see other users weigh in on this requested move. I would like to have as many suggestions before a determination is made about a requested move. I also have another source, this time it is from the University at Albany (albany.edu) website, in which it says "University at Albany" throughout the "about" article.. This official website of the university uses "University at Albany" within the article. I would like to discuss this more before we come to a final decision. Thank you. - NewYorkRepub100, 02:00, 01 March 2017 (UTC)

@Corkythehornetfan: I would like to wait until a Wikipedia administrator rules on this issue. Thank you. - NewYorkRepub100, 03:58, 01 March 2017 (UTC)

Administrators have no special power to decide article content. ElKevbo (talk) 04:10, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@ElKevbo: My understanding of this is that Wikipedia Administrators have power to resolve edit disputes and/or any major article changes like the one I am proposing. Thank you for your interest in resolving this dispute. - NewYorkRepub100, 20:45, 01 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry but that's not the case. In nearly all cases, administrators have no authority to resolve conflicts about article content. They simply have access to a few additional tools that allow them to deal with some more technical issues on behalf of the rest of the community. ElKevbo (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jenks24: I saw that you are a Wikipedia administrator. There has been an issue here trying to resolve a article dispute. There is a disagreement on what sources are permissible for proving that a name is a WP:COMMONNAME. I am trying to rename this article to "University at Albany" from its current name "University at Albany, SUNY". Thank you. - NewYorkRepub100, 13:38, 02 March 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose – Nominator has failed to provide secondary and/or third-party reliable sources to prove that this is the WP:COMMONNAME. The (new) user doesn't seem to understand that primary sources aren't really acceptable here. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 02:31, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
• Support – The "University at Albany" name is the WP:COMMONNAME. I have shown this through the sources that I have provided. I would like to wait until a Wikipedia administrator rule on whether third-party sources are needed.- NewYorkRepub100, 03:58, 01 March 2017 (UTC)
• Weak oppose until suitable sources are provided. Sources from the institution are helpful but we really need many independent sources to document that this proposed name is indeed the most common one in current use. ElKevbo (talk) 05:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
• Support. A quick Google News search confirms that "University at Albany" is far more common than "University at Albany, SUNY": [1] vs. [2]. This would appear to be the clear-cut WP:COMMONNAME.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:55, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

References

• Oppose. The proposal is for a move away from the formal and precise to a local jargon. Albany is not even unique. The proposed would be ambiguous with campuses at Albany,_Western_Australia#Universities. The abbreviation to "SUNY" is as far as the shortening should go. Ghits do not discriminate between reliable and unreliable, introductory uses, and shorthand jargon. Every good source has "State University of New York" and/or "SUNY" in prominence. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:45, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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