Talk:University of North Carolina

Moving the Page

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 10:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

So what do you think? Should this page be moved to the "University of North Carolina" and have the current page redirect to it? The page does contain information in the head to tamper with any confusion between it and the UNC-Chapel Hill and its legal title is the “University of North Carolina”.--Thunder 18:36, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Agree. I've been noticing lately how often "System" is capitalized and it's been bugging me. Moving this to UNC page would begin to clarify that a bit. -Jcbarr 04:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Before moving this page, many links to the University of North Carolina need fixing. Just click on the “What links here” and you will see hundreds of pages that link to the University of North Carolina when they should be linking to University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I agree that that page should be moved (hey, I posted the idea) but only after most of the ambiguous links are removed.

• Those links are incorrect already, since the page redirects here (not UNC-CH). -Jcbarr 15:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sports Conference

The sports conference affiliation has been added to the institution list. My gut tells me that it should not be there. What does everybody else think?--Thunder 13:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Flagship

Flagship is a commonly used term to describe the "namesake" university in a system. Or the "lead" radio station in a broadcast network (even if it isn't the most prestigious (like WCHL was the flagship of the Tar Heel Sports Network (before that was sold) even though you can only get WCHL in CH). Or the "flag" (UTC)ship in an armada is where the admiral is (ie, Bowles's office is in Chapel Hill). It isn't a judgemental term, it is descriptive. -Jcbarr 15:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I can see your point, but people take it as a judgment. This page continually is edited with NCSU and UNC being added or removed under that heading. My first edits described NCSU as the “technology institute” and UNC as the “flagship”, but that did not last. I tried to use the words “characterize by”, to show the (by far) two largest, best known schools in the system with out using “flagship.” --Thunder 16:3--Thunder 23:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)7, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting, but I have never heard of NC State being considered any part of the UNC System Flagship. They are the Agriculture/Technology school.. but UNC-CH is the only flagship school of the UNC system that I know of. Also, I have never heard of a school system having two flagships.. I think it would probably be best and most accurate to change it so that UNC-CH is the only flagship school. - Kacey 00:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

'Flagship' schools used in this sense just means the larger and more prominent schools--and while that would surely include both UNC and NCSU, I know of no such official designation or enumeration of such shcools, so it's probably best not to do so in the first place. See former NCSU Chancellor Mary Anne Fox's 2001 editorial in The American Scientist for an example of this usage of 'flagship'. -- 24.163.91.2 16:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I personally wrote the UNC System office. The UNC system does not have an official flagship campus. But both UNC and NCSU are acknowledged to be the main research campuses of the UNC system. For sure the debate will not stop here, but I think that both UNC and NCSU have their place as flagships of the system.--Thunder 23:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Email from the UNC System office:

The UNC Board of Governors has not assigned official "flagship" status to any of our 16 university campuses. UNC-Chapel Hill is certainly the oldest campus, and there is no doubt that the entire University's has benefitted from Chapel Hill's national reputation for academic quality. NC State and UNC-Chapel Hill are acknowledged to be our two major research campuses, but again, neither has been granted any special flagship designation. Joni Worthington

--Thunder 23:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Once again, we are having problems with the wording of NC State's designation. I thought "Principal Science and Technology Institution" would solve things, but it has not. Some editors point out that UNC-CH has higher ranked science programs than NC State. Although NC State and its admission refer to NC State as the “Flagship Science and Technology” campus of the UNC System, I think "Principal Science and Technology Institution" does accurately describe NC State with in the UNC System. First, NC State graduates more students in science than UNC-CH. Second, NC State conducts more research in science (outside the Medical realm of course) than does UNC-CH. So, for the purposes of description, why can’t we give UNC-CH the “flagship” designation and NC State the "Principal Science and Technology Institution"?--Thunder 16:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

intro

I plan to rewrite the intro so NO individual university is cited. The intro isn’t the place for every single campus to be highlighted. It seems if one is highlighted, people want them all there. So no feelings get hurt, I plan to expand the constitute institution section so to include the Carnegie classification, Carnegie admissions category (eg. Selective, more selective), student population, percent of student population with a SAT over 1100, percent of student population in the top 20% of their class. We will let the numbers stand on their own without our own judgment getting in the way. --Thunder 19:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Not that you asked for it specifically, but I support!

Point taken....So what does people people think of my idea?--Thunder 21:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Would you please specify when?

"Over time", some attempts were made to extend an education to non-white people. When did those attempts occur? What were they? Please do not elide past the truth. The subject should either be either completely explained or avoided altogether. GhostofSuperslum 15:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

First, where did you get the line that you paraphrase? I think the line that you quote is in its entirety:

Over time the state added five historically black institutions and one to educate Native Americans.

I think the line does not elide any truth, but it straight forward and to the point.

The evidence of the attempt to educate minorities can be seen in the openning of historically African-American colleges and historically native American college. For example:

Fayetteville State 1867

UNC-P 1887

NC A&T 1891

Elizabeth City State 1891

Winston-Salem State 1892

NC Central 1909

--Thunder 14:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

The following sentence is quite clearly NPOV "The system provides quality education at some of the lowest tuition rates in the United States despite recent tuition increases.[1]" You can say that it has some of the lowest tuition rates if there are sources but how do you define 'quality education'?

You make a very good point. I will update it with some references--Thunder 00:43, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Latin

Universitas Carolinae Septentrionalis is correct. An alternative could be Universitas Carol. Septent. denoting the abbreviated form of North Carolina, I suppose. Remember the seal says "Seal of the University of North Carolina", and sadly in Latin it isn't as simple as just removing a word. If there is a large amount of debate I would just remove any Latin rather than have an edit war. Alternatively, write the one of the UNC system's classics departments or check this book (or similar ones) on Latin grammar.

Several University catalogs written in Latin from the 1800s (including Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Yale, Bowdoin, and UNC's own in 1852) refer to the school with the abbreviation "Univ. Car. Bor." or "Carol. Bor." for Universitas Carolinae Borealis. Borealis is a synonym for Septentrionalis, though Borealis appears to be used more frequently in these catalogs. Lpburrows (talk) 19:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Greenough, James B. & Allen, J.H. "Allen and Greenough's New Latin Grammar." Dover Publications. ISBN 0486448061 (2006 version) — 152.2.133.109 (talk) 14:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

History section

I'm tied up the UNC featured article review at the moment, so I don't really have time to work on this myself, but I've noticed the section seems to imply the name changes of UNC and UNCG occurred in the 1931s, when it was actually in something like 1963 as a result of coeducation. If anyone has a chance to doublecheck and rephrase it would be very helpful! Hippo (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

You are right: "The result was the Consolidated University of North Carolina, wherein three state universities – UNC at Chapel Hill, the Women’s College at Greensboro, and State College in Raleigh – were combined administratively in order to combat inefficiency and redundancy in public higher education. "

State Library--Thunder (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Appalachian's abbreviation

"Name of the University The first reference in any webpage should be to "Appalachian State University." After that, "Appalachian" or the "University" may be used. References such as "ASU," "App State," and "Appy State" are prohibited."

[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.82.168.114 (talk) 14:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

That's an interesting reference, but a quick search of the Appalachian State University website shows many places where "ASU" and "App State" are used as abbreviations. And the official website of the university is www.AppState.edu. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oldest U.S. public university?

I don't understand how one can claim UNC-Chapel Hill is the oldest public university in the U.S. when College of William & Mary which lists its founding date in the 1600s (before UNC) is also a public university and therefore I would think is older! In fact, College of William and Mary is the 2nd oldest university in the U.S. after Harvard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.24.167 (talk) 20:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

See the article Oldest public university in the United States. The College of William and Mary is certainly older that the University of North Carolina, but was run as a private institution up until 1888 when it was opened under a different charter (therefore being the same institution in place and name only) and not fully public until 1906. UNC was chartered as a public university and has been run as one since the original state charter in 1789, Digitalican (talk) 11:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Reputation

Looking for information on the recent sexual assault case, I skimmed the article and couldn't find anything about UNC's reputation, academic or otherwise. Could we consider keeping and expanding the Reputation section I added (sorry for the revert, by the way)? Alternatively, could we distribute more reputation-related information in the opening paragraph and History section?

As for the sexual assault case, I think some mention of it should stay. It's been in the news for a while now. 96.255.155.224 (talk) 16:37, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Copy-paste of UNC website

Wanted to point out that the majority of the "structure" section is a direct copy-paste from this page on UNC's website: http://www.northcarolina.edu/?q=about-our-system/220-years-history

Am not clear on how to mark this page for revision directly but thought I would post this here. 152.4.40.158 (talk) 14:18, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I just deleted the material; although important, it's not critical information so someone else with more time and interest can rewrite the material and add it back in if they're interested. ElKevbo (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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