Talk:University of South Wales

Ian Watkins

There is contention that Ian Watkins (Lostprophets) should be removed from Notable Alumni section following his conviction. The definition of Alumnus is simply 'graduate'. On the one hand his musical achievements remain notable and Wiki is not a marketing brochure for the university. The university obviously have the right to not reference him in their own material. Conversely I can see that 'Notable Alumni' is probably intended as a positive role model and criminals may not be listed as Notable Alumni of other universities (I haven't checked). What is the consensus on retaining it in wiki ? Pwimageglow (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I believe he should stay in the article. The List_of_University_College_London_people and other alumni list articles include terrorists and convicted criminals. Aloneinthewild (talk) 16:32, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think Ian Watkins is a 'notable' anything. A third rate wannabe pop star from a band few people had ever heard of, achieving temporary infamy through his perversion. Terrorists, as horrific as they are, have a lasting impact on the world. What's Ian Watkins' lasting legacy, and who, outside the town of Pontypridd, will remember he exists, two or three years from now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.11.179.147 (talk) 23:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Total nonsense. I suggest you read the wiki article on Lostprophets and check out their album sales and chart ratings. Pwimageglow (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Ian Watkins???? Not a good example of famous alumni for the University. I suggest a rapid deletion. Do not delay!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.30.108 (talk) 11:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

This section of the wiki page is 'Notable Alumni' not 'Good Examples of Notable Alumni', by which I guess you mean positive role models.Pwimageglow (talk) 14:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

He's notable now for the wrong reasons, he was previously notable as a lead singer in a popular band. The university had no problems with him being listed before he was arrested. His study at the university will have no bearing on his criminal activities, so of course he should remain on the list as an 'alumnus' and 'notable'. Sionk (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I largely agree. This Wikipedia entry is not a piece of marketing material for the university. And there continual attempts to remove this alumnus (whilst not taking part in this discussion) is of concern Generic Fool (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Further attempt to remove this entry without reference to this page.Champion150 (talk) 20:07, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

We absolutely agree that this is Wikipedia and not marketing material for the University, but we strongly feel that Ian Watkins is not a good example of a famous alumni. UniSouthWales (talk) 09:36, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

That's not a reason to bar inclusion of him from this article though. This seems like a small conflict of interest if you represent the school. Simply put, he's notable and should be included. The other option is to go the route of over universities and make a page just for its notable people. Then only keep the most famous/well-known on this article and delegate the others to the new page. Typing in "List of (University name here) people" will bring up tons of examples. SEMMENDINGER (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

It is not relevant if Ian Watkins is or is not a good example of a famous alumni. The section is Notable Alumni, Ian Watkins is notable (if not for positive reasons) and thus must be included, as discussed above. Champion150 (talk) 10:45, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Two things come to mind, first he was originally placed on the list of notable alumi by the university [as was]. Secondly the university has above agreed that he is a famous alumni. Both of those highlight the exact reason why he should remain on this list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 51.9.181.187 (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

re: flagged close connection with subject

No particular conflict of interest, as a new wiki user I'm simply harvesting content already in circulation across Wikipedia and aligning to the University page. I've learnt the institution has had a recent merger so probably good practice to bring the content together (?) Seems to be quite a few existing references to former students. I'm adding independent sources so all should be in good order..? (Amends22 (talk) 16:24, 28 May 2015 (UTC)).

Rankings and Reputation

There seems to be an ongoing attempt to delete Cited and Useful information in this section, either for unstated reasons or reasons which appear to be connected with attempts to protect the repuation of this university. It should be remembered that Wikipedia is not a piece of marketing material for the this university, hence all cited information should remain on the basis that it may be useful to understand the past performance of the university.--Champion150 (talk) 18:27, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Further attempt to delete valid and cited information.Champion150 (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Further attempt to delete valid and cited information.Champion150 (talk) 08:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Further attempt to delete valid and cited information.Champion150 (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Further attempt to delete valid and cited information, which should now be considered an ongoing attempt of vandalism.Champion150 (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Champion150, the information about the University offering guidance to government was not cited. If you want to keep it there, you'll need to support it with an in-line citation. Thanks! -OXYLYPSE (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2020 (UTC)