Talk:Uptown, Minneapolis
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A couple of recommendations: 1. The Walker "LIBRARY" sculpture (and the library itself) are no longer there. I'd like to see the article edited to reflect this. 2. The "businesses" section of the article would be better served by being a list, rather than being shoehorned into a paragraph. Whorticulture (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, how do people feel about creating a stronger page structure with more appropriate heading sections? Here is a suggested one: 1. History 2. Culture and Arts 3. Geography and Climate 4. Demographics 5. Economy 6. Parks and recreation 7. Transportation 8. Business and Public Buildings 9. See Also 10. References 11. Further Reading 12. External Links This is just a suggested one, but something along these lines that give more specific heading names and areas for article growth.Dean15 (talk) 02:55, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Dean15, I think thats a good idea. It would create a better flow of the article. It would also make the article longer and more in depth for those that aren't familair with uptown Minneapolis. I'm not sure what could be included in #5 Economy. It seems like it would be difficult to locate valid sources to create this section. I was thinking of adding a crime section into the article as there are many crimes in that area. It would be fairly easy to add statistics in this section as they are provided on the City of Mpls 5 precint page. Nnh416 (talk) 14:10, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the both of you (Dean15, and Nnh416). I don't mind the structure idea that Dean15 has, but I do agree with Nnh416 that the economy section could be replaced with a crime section, but I'm not sure if we would necessarily want to name the section "Crime". And, one may still be able to find some good information as far as economics in the area is concerned; if that information can be found and is useful for this article, then we wouldn't have to omit the economics portion. Maybe the information about crime in the area could be placed under another section (only none of the other sections fit with crime). Maybe a "MISC." section could be added to the structure listed above? (I just think the title "Crime" is too...I can't think of the word I want to use...not bad, but I'm just thinking along the lines of someone who wants to visit the area who's new in town or what have you. I think it might rub them the wrong way to see an entire section about crime in the article versus information about crime in the area just listed within one of the other sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.29.246.223 (talk) 18:12, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
What about a sub section in the demographics section that would include crime statistics? Dean15 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC).
- "Southwest Minneapolis" refers to a specific part of Minneapolis, more so than "southwestern Minneapolis." Not that it's a big deal, so I'm not going to change it back. Mikepjones 16:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- I get what you're saying, but there isn't any reason for "Southwest" to be capitalized in that term. There is no neighborhood designation known as Southwest Minneapolis; it's not even thought of as a hugely distinct area, like South Minneapolis (or, maybe even better yet, North Minneapolis), which arguably should or could be capitalized (though I wouldn't personally). By "Southwest Minneapolis," you're really saying the southwest quadrant of Minneapolis, or the southwestern part of the city. Since "southwestern" is the adjective form of "southwest," I think it's most correct. I'd be open to any comments. Moncrief 01:20, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)
- I disagree. Southwest is a very particular designation for a large part of the city. It's not a quadrant. It's a collection of neighborhoods. It's referred to all the time, with caps. For example, here's one of my favorite papers, the Southwest Journal. dfrankow 00:38, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- It isn't referred to often in all caps. That is the title of a community newspaper, so by definition it is in caps (it's a title). Rarely in thoughtful literature is "Southwest" capped when referring to that area of the city. Moncrief 03:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Southwest is an official community of Minneapolis, which contains several neighborhoods, so it is proper to capitalize it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mpls.png --RLent 19:03, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone from Uptown? I used to live there and try to make it back whenever I can. I was thinking that maybe we could take some pics of the area to post on the article. THX-1138
This article really needs help.. like some pictures of the area and actual links to the websites for some of the local businesses. I added several today. I don't have a user ID here yet, though. 12/18/2005.
Geographic Boundaries
editI have lived in Minneapolis both in and near Uptown for 15 years. I don't think that anybody who actually lives in Minneapolis refers to the geographic boundaries of Uptown as broadly as they are described in this article. (at least to the north and east) The area mentioned covers many other well established neighborhoods like The Wedge, Lyn-Lake, and Kenwood. People who refer to Uptown this broadly are not from the area usually. I am going to edit that part of the description.
- I have lived in Uptown for over 10 years, and I disagree with your more tightly-defined geographic boundaries. The Wedge and Lyn-Lake are generally considered sub-sections within Uptown. If you disagree, explain this picture from Google maps that clearly shows two businesses with "Uptown" in their names, within the Lyn-Lake area (the corner of Lake St. and Aldrich Ave.):
- According to the boundaries as currently defined in the article, the two businesses in this picture ("The Uptown Hair District" and the "Uptown Lake Apartments") would not be in Uptown. Neither would the Uptown Diner (26th & Hennepin). I think a more commonly accepted definition of the borders of Uptown would be the four neighborhoods that converge at the corner of Hennepin and Lake - East Isles, Lowry Hill East, Ecco, and CARAG. In other words, from Franklin Ave in the north to 36th St in the south, and from E Calhoun Parkway/Lake of the Isles Parkway E in the west to Lyndale Ave in the east.
- I too am a resident of Minneapolis... as for the western boundry. France Ave is the western border of Mpls (http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@bis/documents/maps/convert_264339.pdf) so I believe the article is wrong in stating Highway 100 as the western boundry. Past France Ave a completely differenent demographic shows up, independent of Uptown. Otherwise I agree that Wedge & Lyn-Lake are generally considered part of the Eastern side of Uptown. For another perspective - http://minneapolis.about.com/od/minneapolisneighborhoods/p/uptown.htm Sceptre1067 (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Business listings
editWhy are there so many businesses listed in this article? Rx StrangeLove 19:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Unless someone strongly objects I'm going to take most of them out, they don't serve any purpose and we're not a directory...Rx StrangeLove 19:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Neighborhood or commercial district or area/place? And those who don't live there versus those who do
editOkay, I consider myself Mpls savvy so let me propose this idea to mess up the article. Uptown is not an official neighborhood and those who OWN (not rent) in the proper neighborhoods (Lowry, Whittier, etc) don't consider themselves really part of an Uptown n'hood but identify closely to that of the actual neighborhoods. Let me be bold and say that the Uptown "neighborhood" is an idea perpetuated by the business association and unbeknowest Twin Citians and not the residents nor long-time Minneapolitans themselves. In this case, Uptown should only be referred to as say a "commercial district" or a "popular area" WITH a mention that people frequently confuse Uptown as a neighborhood because they do not understand the centuries-old history of Minneapolis neighborhoods. This is so that people on Wikipedia are not confused by the fact that our NRP has no mention of Uptown and realize Uptown is a creation of suburbanites. The wording such should be changed to reflect this. Similarly I've done this to the Lyn-Lake article which again is an admitted creation of their business association in order to get suburbanites more familiar with the area. I have nothing against district-identity (ie: Eat Street (Whittier), Broadway (Near North), Warehouse District (North Loop) but this is an important distinction to make. Davumaya 19:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- Proposal to change it to "Uptown is a district of Minneapolis" Davumaya 20:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not so sure that Uptown is a "creation of suburbanites"; the Uptown Theater has been named as such since 1929, so the concept of Uptown has been around for awhile (it's also possible that the surrounding commercial district was named after the theater, but this would've occured long before postwar suburbanization). However, I have no problem with referring to uptown as a district; anybody that looks at the neighborhood map on the city website knows that Uptown isn't an official neighborhood (four different neighborhoods meet at Hennepin/Lake, often considered the heart of Uptown). Other articles on commercial districts in Minneapolis should be updated as well. Eco84 | Talk 16:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- Apologies, I meant to say that today, the Uptown "neighborhood" is what mostly non-Minneapolitan proper people would call the area, not knowing of history. Yes I understand the Uptown area has existed for a long time, the uptown is a location of many major cities referring to a district just outside the CBD and generally up a slope. I live in Prospect Park and am miffed when people just generalize the entire area as the "University neighborhood" or an extension of Stadium Village. Anyway I (or you or whoever) will go ahead and edit the text. Davumaya 08:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not editing anything at this point, but wanted to point out that the Uptown name has been around a long time, and was created in the 1920s for the business district based on the Uptown neighborhood of Chicago. It was not based on being "up" from downtown or on a slope. It was a marketing decision by a group of businessmen. Uptown has been considered a neighborhood beyond just the business district since at least the 1980s - I think probably from around the time Calhoun Square opened. Prior to that it was sometimes called Uptown, but mostly people talked about the Hennepin-Lake area. Most people, at least those who have lived in Uptown for a long time, do consider it a neighborhood, not a district. It is not a formal neighborhood in the eyes of the city (as far as NRP money, etc. goes) but it IS a neighborhood in the eyes of probably the majority of the people who live or have lived there. The concept that "uptown is a creation of suburbanites" is 100% wrong - one only has to read the historic documents from the '20s (and beyond) to realize that this isn't true. I don't think most owners identify more with their immediate neighborhood group than they do with Uptown, at least not the many, many owners I've known. (I'm a renter but grew up there, and hope to be an owner soon.)It is a valid point that readers should be aware that the informal Uptown boundaries do not match NRP boundaries, as I'm sure that is confusing to those not familiar with the area (or with Mpls's formal neighborhood designations) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.41.112 (talk) 07:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Merge
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Here is the issue. I am going to make improvements but have fallen into a bit of a quandary. We have the official neighborhood articles (ie: CARAG, Minneapolis Calhoun-Isles, Minneapolis Lowry Hill, Minneapolis) and then we have "Uptown." Now aren't we technically duplicating everything here? And if we end up realizing we are duplicating everything, where do we merge or redirect? Or more properly, where does one article stop and the other pick up. For example Lowry Hill was distinctly separate until the advent of the Lakes Area, so the histories are different. But today they are fairly the same. .:DavuMaya:. 17:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
This was a merge proposal but de nada. .:davumaya:. 20:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Schools
editI've noticed that many other wikipedia pages talking about an area or a city has a section discussing schools. does anyone disagree or agree with adding a section specifically discussing schools? I think it would be very useful for many people who are taking a look at this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahm1504 (talk • contribs) 04:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)