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editCould someone find a link to an image? The symbol doesn't show in my browser, and likely doesn't show for many others. --Kizor 17:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
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edit"Because of this, it is difficult to reconstruct a Proto-Germanic name for the Elder Futhark rune. It may have been ûruz "aurochs" (see also Bull worship), or ûram "water". The aurochs is preferred by authors of modern runic divination systems, but both seem possible, compared to the names of the other runes: "water" would be comparable to "hail" and "lake", and "aurochs" to "horse" or "elk" (although the latter name is itself uncertain). The Gothic alphabet seems to support "aurochs", though: as the name of the letter 𐌿 u is urus."
This section has no reference and should have a source or be removed.76.180.55.81 (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Aurochs?
editAre we sure that Uruz means Auroch? Everything that I find says this, but there's no source. It's like it's just "accepted" knowledge - a "It is known" type excuse. I ask because it sounds to me like Urs, the Proto-Indo-European word that meant bear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.144.236 (talk) 19:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
- The Anglo-Saxon poem clearly speaks of an aurochs and its horns (hornum). They may just be similar words. Nessus000 (talk) 20:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- As far as i can tell, the Anglo-Saxons didn't really change the old runes in comparison to the Norse, so it makes more sense that their name is closer to the original rather than vice versa, i.e. aurochs. Compare mannaz ᛗ (man), which the Anglo-Saxons kept in its original design, while the Norse gave it the then obsolete Algiz rune ᛘ, which can be said to depict a man with his two arms raised (and the short twig just a stick figure ᛙ). In a similar manner, they replaced the obsolete Algiz rune with the upside down variant ᛦ, which looks like a bow, and gave it the name Ýʀ (yew), synonymous with bow per material, to align with the ʀ-sound that replaced the proto-germanic z-sound. The rest of the renovations appears to mainly have been centered around making sure each rune was based around a single straight stave, ᚲ/ᚷ > ᚴ, ᚺ > ᚼ, ᛃ > ᛁ, etc. Aka, the yunger futhark is a total renovation, were as the Anglo-Saxon futhorc is just an update to elder futhark. Blockhaj (talk) 20:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)