Talk:Ursulines/Archive 1

Archive 1

I noticed...

I noticed that the well-known Order of the Ursulines did not have a wiki entry, and so I took it upon myself to start one. I intend on adding much more detail later, using the Catholic Encyclopedia and other sources.

This is my first article created, although I have made a number of edits and contributions in the past. --Sertrel 10:57, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Wording Dispute

Thank you, Sertral, for taking it upon yourself to start a Wiki entry for the Ursulines. Having attended one of the U.S. colleges founded by the Ursulines, I am happy to see they have an entry, as their ideal of educating young women continues to live on even in modern times. Speaking of modern times, though, I think it best if you could edit the article to reword this sentence:

There were Ursulines in Canada in 1639, led by who taught the catechism to Indian children, and subsequently helped to preserve a religious spirit among the French population and to humanize the Indians and half-breeds.

While I understand this information has been garnered from the public domain 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, it would scandalize today's Ursuline students (especially the largely diverse student population at The College of New Rochelle, which I attended) to have this entry refer to interracial Indian/French children as "half-breeds" and to have the missionary efforts of the Ursulines refered to as "humanizing." Those terms smack of a type of racial and cultural attitude that does not correlate with the Ursuline mission.

I also believe you should change the wording of "Indian" to "Native American." While doing so would make the entry more politically-correct, it is my opinion that it should also be done for academic purposes, so as to not confuse the native North American population with Indians from India.

Additionally, the sentence in question reads "...led by who taught..." and appears to omit a name. The 1911 Britannica entry does not supply a name, so I would delete "led by."

Ursulines of Quebec orphaned page

I just came across the previously orphaned page Ursulines of Quebec and thought I would try to find places to link to it. I added a link in the page Quebec City in the list of museums, as the museum at the monastery was already listed, without a link.

However, I next checked Talk:Ursulines of Quebec and found a note pointing out that the whole page had been copied fromt the Catholic Encyclopedia. This isn't kosher (to mix a metaphor) so that article should either be scrapped or redone from scratch.

The bits I added to that article are spelling out that it is in Quebec City at the top, and the address of the monastery/museum at the end.

Rats.Birdbrainscan 02:22, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Catholic Encyclopedia was published before 1923, and is therefore public domain. The article does not need to be deleted. Eugène van der Pijll 11:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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re use of the word 'Alumni'

I have added the words 'of Ursuline schools' to clarify the amiguity to which someone recently drew attention. It would be a pity in my opinion to lose the information about Ursuline schools alumni altogether. In any case I personally doubt if any ambiguity existed in most readers minds; I doubt if many people imagine that Rula Lenska or Melinda Gates are nuns for example.Ranger2006 (talk) 12:46, 20 July 2009 (UTC) (Or even ex-nuns.)Ranger2006 (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

They could have been dropouts from the convent. All need to be moved to specific schools. Then they won't be "lost." Article is supposed to be about the order, not people, specifically, though the Mothers General can be listed I suppose. Student7 (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

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Citations needed

Added four citations to the page, hopefully that helps. There are still a few citations that need to be added as support. Arnold.kevin729 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

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