Talk:Uzun Hasan

Why Hassan ?

Name of the article is Uzun Hassan. I don't see why. He was a Turkmen and his name is Uzun Hasan in both Turkish and Azerbaijani with one s in Hassan. I suggest the name of the article be changed as Uzun Hasan. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Uzun Hassan Shahanshah of Iran and Ruler of Persia?

All of this is false. They do not have the source!!! The Azerbaijani user who made fraud. Aydinsalis (talk) 21:41, 26 March 2017 (UTC) We've discussed it. They all lie.

You are deleting sourced content, this is considered disruptive editing in Wikipedia. Please stay away from this article if you do not have any source. And do not repeat "it's lie" all the time, insulting other editors could result in your block. -- Mazandar (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

You can not understand, they are false? Even written source? What is written in the source? Can you tell? Evidence does not exist, sources deleted. Aydinsalis (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

According to google books, H.R. Roemer, "The Safavid Period", in Cambridge History of Iran, Vol. VI, Cambridge University Press 1986, p. 339:

• "Further evidence of a desire to follow in the line of Turkmen rulers is Ismail's assumption of the title 'Padishah-i-Iran', previously held by Uzun Hasan."
  

Said source and quote are confirmed. Therefore evidence does exist. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Iranian King of Kings 
Iranian Sultan of Sultans  
Shahanshah of Iran and Ruler of Persia 
Powerful like Jamshid, flag of Fereydun and wise like Darius 

• 1. The source is not a reliable source. (Muʾayyid S̲ābitī, ʻAlī (1967). Asnad va Namahha-yi Tarikhi (Historical documents and letters from early Islamic period towards the end of Shah Ismaʻil Safavi's reign.). Iranian culture & literature. Kitābkhānah-ʾi Ṭahūrī., pp. 193, 274, 315, 330, 332, 422 and 430. See also: Abdul Hussein Navai, Asnaad o Mokatebaat Tarikhi Iran (Historical sources and letters of Iran), Tehran, Bongaah Tarjomeh and Nashr-e-Ketab, 2536, pages 578,657, 701–702 and 707)
• 2. Quoted on the primary source.
• 3. The source is written differently, but differently.
• 4. This is a fraud and should be deleted.

We can refer to it. It's a reliable source. I do not mind. But this will be one-sided. We need to show all his titles and the main title. No in the encyclopedia, it raises doubts, and is not the main title of it. Aydinsalis (talk) 09:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Your claim is very dubious, these information existed in the article for a long time, you need to upload those pages from the source, so your claim can be confirmed. -- Mazandar (talk) 14:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

“Not in source|date=March 2017”, this is the template for what, You know? 1 week, where are you? Stop your disruptive edit. What do you want? Write falsely that Hasan was the Shah of Iran? Maybe it was the Ayatollah of Iran ?! fr:Uzun Hasan, it:Uzun Hasan, ru:Узун-Гасан, es:Uzún Hasán, de:Uzun Hasan... Where is that written, Hasan was the Shah of Iran? What is written in the encyclopedia? Aydinsalis (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Since Aydinsalis has yet to prove their "opinion", I would suggest we give them until 12 April to provide evidence that their concerns are viable. If Aydinsalis has not provided evidence by that date, then I suggest we accept the information and sources provided as they now appear in the article. Your thoughts, @Mazandar:? --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:29, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

More sources:

• "The Mongol Conquests in World History, by Timothy May, page 83;"Fifteenth-century successors such as the Kara Qoyunlu and Aq Qoyunlu, both Turkoman tribes, adhered to these criteria. As the Turkoman confederations lacked Chinggisid lineage they did not use the term khan, but padishah-i-Iran or kesra-yi-Iran.
• "Islam: The Religious and Political Life of a World Community, ed. Marjorie Kelly, page 122;"The great Akkoyunlu leader Hasan Padishah(or Uzun Hasan, his sobriquet) challenged the Ottomans in 1473..."--Kansas Bear (talk) 03:36, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree, that's enough time for uploading some pages, also, I try to find those books. -- Mazandar (talk) 05:49, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Here and here are details about Uzun Hasan's titles. 94.20.65.25 (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

What's up? Finally forced to use the talking page now that spamming revert won't work? --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:11, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

HistoryofIran, What should happen? You are engaged in fraud. This is what is happening. Encyclopaedia of Islam: 1913-1936, Том 2. Hassan Sultan's titles (no Shah of Iran): imarat maab, sardari adjam, al malik al adil Hasan al Tawil khadim al Haramain, sahib-kiran... 94.20.65.25 (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I like how you're just ignoring the sources that support the statement about the Persian titles of Uzun Hassan and favoring a source made in the Bronze Age. Also [1]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:44, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

HistoryofIran I can not understand. What do you mean? Where are the sources? Where I made a mistake? 94.20.65.25 (talk) 23:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Encyclopædia Britannica/Uzun Ḥasan: ruler (1453–78) of the Turkmen Ak Koyunlu dynasty who created a short-lived empire in Iran, Iraq, eastern Anatolia, Armenia, and Azerbaijan. Is that a lie? 94.20.65.25 (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

What is your point? Why are you ignoring the sources that states that he actually used those titles? Also, not that it matters, but Britannica is unreliable. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

HistoryofIran I can not understand. Where are your sources? 08:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.20.27.116 (talk)

False Portrait

The portrait which mentions ASSAM BEGUS is not Uzun Hasan. The given source proves it. The portrait actually belongs to Hasan Agha - ASSAM BEGUS, governor of Ottoman Algeria, who ruled instead of Barbaross during 1532-1544. HulaguKaan (talk) 07:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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Reign 1453 or 1457

[2] Some say 1453 some say 1457[3]. Which one? Also Islam Ansiklopedisi says 1452, looked further and found Iranica saying the same "Uzun Hasan successfully resumed the war with the Qara Qoyunlū and in the autumn of 856 / 1452 seized Amed in a bloodless coup while Jahāngīr was away"". Beshogur (talk) 08:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Title

"Powerful like Jamshid, flag of Fereydun and wise like Darius", Imo this shouldn't be in infobox. Sounds more like a phrase. What's the difference between "King of Kings of Iran" and "Shahanshah of Iran"? What language is the original document written in? Also "Shahanshah of Iran and Ruler of Persia", what makes Iran and Persia different here (same question about the content of the document). Beshogur (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok apparently king of kings (malik al muluk) is Arabic, and Persia = Ajam. However I would like to see what letter it's about, sent by whom? Beshogur (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Foto Uzun Həsənlə aid deyil osmanlı bəylərbəyinə aiddir

Tez bir vaxtda düzəldilməlidir Heredot ll (talk) 00:06, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Gold coin dedicated to the 600th anniversary of Uzun Hasan in Azerbaijan

[4]https://apa.az/sahibkarliq/azergold-terefinden-uzun-hesenin-600-illiyine-qizil-sikke-hazirlanib-793674 5.191.113.153 (talk) 14:30, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

A concern regarding a small translation

Is it right to write "uzun means 'tall' in Oghuz Turkic" when this is not a nickname given to him for his tall stature, but his family name? Yasaul (talk) 12:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

How is this his family name? Beshogur (talk) 13:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't have academic sources on this but yes, it's his family name. Today, the descendants of the Aq Qoyunlu dynasty live in the "Tozlu" village of Kadirli, Osmaniye; their surname is Uzun and one of them named Hasan Uzun is the headman (muhtar) of the said village. Yasaul (talk) 14:49, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Sorry we can't use this. Beshogur (talk) 16:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm aware, thank you for replying. Additionally, do we have any sources that describe him as a tall person? The only thing I can say about his looks is that an armor belonging to him is in Istanbul Military Museum and by looking at that, I wouldn't say he's tall. Yasaul (talk) 16:49, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hasan Bey’i gören Venedik elçisi Kontarino Zeno onu lakabı gibi uzun boylu, yakışıklı ve hoşsohbet bir hükümdar olarak tasvir eder.[5] Beshogur (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Çok teşekkür ederim. Yasaul (talk) 04:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Image

Add an image of his coin CaspianUser (talk) 10:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 26 October 2024

I want to improve this page with additional information from these sources:

• Woods, John E. (1999). The Aqquyunlu: clan, confederation, empire. Salt Lake City: Univ. of Utah Press. ISBN 978-0-87480-565-9.
• Tihrani, Abu Bakr (2014). Kitab-i Diyarbakriyya (in Turkish). Translated by Öztürk, Mürsel. Ankara: Turkish Historical Society. ISBN 978-975-16-2752-0. Cavidaga (talk) 08:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done if your change is part of the ongoing content dispute, please discuss above. If it is unrelated, you will need to provide the exact edit you are proposing for review (or wait for protection to expire). — xaosflux ^Talk 10:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

@Cavidaga: sorry for the page protection, I think you have to specify what you want to edit or wait until the protection expires. Beshogur (talk) 11:50, 28 October 2024 (UTC)