Talk:V. G. Vaze College of Arts, Science and Commerce

Request for images

If some user has images of this school, its teachers, its ground, its student council or its alumni, kindly contact me on my talk page! AlwaysHappy (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Members of Students' Council

The list of members is for the academic year 2015-16, and officially endorsed by the college. Why is it inappropriate to add them? AlwaysHappy (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I Agree

I don't think the members' list shouldn't be put up. It's okay to have the list on this article, as the Council is a constitutional body set up under Maharashtra Universities Act. PoojaM1996 (talk) 20:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Why it is inappropriate

Lists of individual members of student organisations are not of encyclopedic importance. Look at a few Featured Articles, the best of Wikipedia: in University_of_California,_Riverside#Student_organizations_and_activities we see the wording "the Associated Students of the University of California, Riverside (ASUCR), which represents undergraduates on administrative and policy issues.[99] ASUCR is guided by a Senate composed of 20 elected officers, who represent the three undergraduate colleges in proportion to their enrollment." but there is no list of these 20 officers. In the article Jesus College Boat Club (Oxford), about a student organisation, there is no list of the current officers. It is simply not appropriate - it is excessive detail.

I do not want to be accused of WP:Edit warring, so I feel I cannot remove this list again, but I have asked for input at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject Universities#Should the_members of the Student Council be listed by name?. PamD 22:14, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

This is trivial and fleeting information, certainly not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Toohool (talk) 23:02, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Toohool is absolutely correct. The list should be removed. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but

PamD and Toohool (talk) Thanks, for listing some of the examples and asking for the input at Wikiproject Universities. But, this council is a constitutional body, governed by Maharashtra Universities Act, 1994 (an act of the state of Maharashtra). So I think it is notable enough to list the names of the members. PoojaM1996 (talk) 00:43, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

PoojaM1996 is correct. Being a constitutional body, the list is not trivial and fleeting information. Here's the link of the Act: Maharashtra Universities Act, 1994 (Section 40) AlwaysHappy (talk) 11:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The existence of the body is not trivial or fleeting, but the list of the current membership is. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:55, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Though the list has been constitutionally approved by the college, more online citations will be soon be added. Till then, thanks Jonathan A Jones for adding the unreferenced tag. I hope this concludes our discussion as of now. PoojaM1996 (talk) 20:21, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

That does not conclude the discussion. The current list is fleeting and trivial and should be removed, a point you have failed to address in any substantive fashion. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 21:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Not trivial

Hi, Jonathan A Jones (talk) How did you conclude that? I am a member of Mumbai University, and I don't find the list to be, in any way whatsoever, fleeting and trivial. Being a body formed by Act, not only the entity itself, but also, the members, who each represents half a thousand students, are as much prominent as the body, and notable enough to be presented on the college's article page. AlicePeston (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

The existence of the body is not trivial or fleeting, but the list of the current membership is. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 21:16, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Repetition of previously mentioned statement doesn't prove anything. AlicePeston (talk) 23:14, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Which, ironically, is all the supporters of incusion are doing. But the reality is very simple here: if this list is worthy of inclusion then you will be able to point to independent reliable secondary sources which support the claim that the names belong on the list and that the list itself is of significance. Until you do that the list can (and indeed should) be deleted. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 07:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)