Talk:Vachellia farnesiana/Archives/2020

Typo

Under "Traditional Medicine" the term "N-methyl-beta-phenethylamine" links to "beta-methyl-phenethylamine". First of all, the nomenclature of the term is incorrect. Should it be "N,beta-dimethyl-phenethylamine" instead? ..and if so, why does it link to "beta-methyl-phenethylamine" which is a different molecule? Can someone clarify this?

Alkaloids

Although certain species of Acacia do contain alkaloids such as DMT and tyramine, there is no mention of any alkaloids ever being isolated from A. farnesiana or Vachellia farnesiana, as it is now known, in the primary phytochemical literature. The citations given in the WP entry which I just modified were either dead links or irrelevant. The original statements about the presence of alkaloids seem to have been made on the basis of a misunderstanding that their presence in one Acacia species implied their presence in all.Xprofj (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Trout's Notes [1] gives a really exhaustive description of alkaloids in various Acacias. See under the species on p. 35 for the very mixed evidence of alkaloids in V. (A.) fanesiana. I would not say "no evidence"-- rather the evidence is mixed, with most investigators (save one) finding none in leaves and stems, but more finding things in seeds. But in Brazil the seeds of this plant are regarded as poisonous to dogs, as I see the article now states. That is attributed to an alkaloid-- what else would it be? SBHarris 22:00, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Apparently there is a lesser known use of possibly this species and/or Acacia Simplex, it or they are used in the pacific islands to stun fish by placing foilage on water. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.94.181 (talk) 05:09, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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to do

If all this was done, I would consider this article done.

0.1 Lead

• take away too local common names.

0.2 Synonyms

• ref.s, fix some citations

0.3 New Section

• morphology

1 Etymology

• Australian names, (adopted) French and Spanish names.

2 Taxonomy

   2.1 Taxonomic History

• confusion in France (A. indica, Poir)
• confusion in Australia
• confusion in USA; ref.s, persistence of A. smallii to 2000s, confusing keys

   2.2 Classification and Relationships

• Chilean taxon; its taxonomic history (syn. under Clarke)
• relationship with A. nilotica, taxonomic implications
• explanation why recent move to V.; why this is controversial.

   2.3 Infraspecific Diversity

• ref.s
• French cultivars.
• ?other former varieties?

3 Distribution

• More on distribution confusion in the US due to taxonomic confusion, add 1990 US forestry report.

4 Ecology

• pollinators, seed dispersal, birds using it (trashers)
• diseases & pests; twig borers
• why it became a pest plant recently (no more sheep), paddock probs; prob.s in Iraq

5 Uses

• check Tervuren, Kew Ec. Bot., other, also Indian, African sources

   5.1 Perfume

• history
• France, Syria, Egypt, India
• cultivation, pruning, plantation turnover (age)
• yield
• how it is made, 2 types
• used in what; lemon, raspberry scent

   5.2 Gum

• diff. opinions on quality, uses

   5.3 Tanning Leather

• info. likely from Dutch book economic bot. Indonesia

   5.4 Food

• deleted info. on eating seeds referred to aboriginal uses. 2 good sources on diff. uses by Australian peoples.

   5.5 Fodder & Forage

• More: good sources on Tropical fodders & silage online; Texan land management techniques; practices in SE Asia?, India?, Africa?

   5.6 Ornamental

• Hedges in Israel, Iraq
• nitrogen-fixing

   5.8 Wood

• Firewood research Arizona; turning wood for implements, other; bad for BBQ.

6 Common names

• organise regionally, South Africa?, India? ref.s for Fiji, Hawaii

Leo 86.83.56.115 (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2018 (UTC)