Talk:Vandread

Collaboration

I have a question about the "series" aspect of Vandread. Like many anime series, Vandread has multiple seasons and, like some, it's second season is subtitled - Vandread:The Second Stage. This is like Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex where it's second season Ghost in the Shell: S.A.C. 2nd GIG was given it's own article. The seasons of GITS was, IMO, autonomous enough to award the second season with it's own article, should the same be done for Vandread? Or should it similarily be set up like Full Metal Panic! where subsequent and preceding seasons are linked in a somewhat tabular fashion at the bottom? Or should they be combined and the infobox altered to reflect the separate seasons? (As it stands now, the infobox reflects only the first season.) I would just like some clarification on how this collaboration plans on going about this. Thanks. -- Miss Ethereal 05:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The second season's plot doesn't get so much as a skimover in the current article, and as you mentioned most info is lumped with the original series. I'm for adding an infobox and fleshing out more info on the last half of show. Or are we in need of diviating the two with "The Second Page"? Papacha 04:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

LGBT

Not to be a party-pooper, but LGBT is not only not a focus of the Vandread storyline, but in fact the whole plot is basically about how much more fascinating and alluring (and even suspicious/dangerous) the opposite sex can be... if anything, this pure heterosexual angst! Sweetfreek 04:50, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Its.....not a focus? Somthing like 80% of the cast are lesbians. .....and then there are Bart and BC. Jack Cain 06:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

This is so an LGBT series. Its focus does not by definition have to be about LGBT to be LGBT. It's LGBT because gay men and lesbian women make up the social background, and the vast majority of the characters in the story are lesbian women. Dita may be straight, but Meia's a lesbian, Jura's a lesbian, Barnette's a lesbian, and if Gascogne's not a lesbian then my 'dar isn't working. One of the recurring themes is the culture shock of meeting heterosexuals and learning about heterosexual issues, which most of the characters had long been trained to regard as disgusting and deviant. The story is essentially from gay cultural and lesbian cultural points of view, even if not all that characters are gay or lesbian. - Gilgamesh 06:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider this series' forced homosexualism (i.e. having no heterosexual community at all), as an example of an LGBT series. IMHO, Vandread deals with sexual relations among other things but doesn't present LGBT issues in a special way. That is why, I am not comfortable with putting this anime in the same category as Kannazuki no Miko, Maria-sama ga Miteru, Strawberry Panic or many other shoujo-ai animes.

That is my $0.02 after watching only 6 episodes so far. Therefore, I might change my opinion after watching all episodes. :) --Emre D. 10:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, it gets gayer. But if I said how, that would be spoiling. - Gilgamesh 11:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Remember, too, that role reversal is a common way to of addressing social issues in fiction. In the world of VanDread, the people have homosexual relationships by default, and most are disturbed by the idea of heterosexual relationships (at least at first). --'Kash 19:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that there are some pretty strong LGBT themes (having just watched the second stage), but as mentioned above it's also about the rediscovery of heterosexuality and (more importantly, I think) about different shapes of family and community. For instance, the important thing about Ezra's baby is, I think, not that she was born to a lesbian couple, but that the whole ship is her family and is helping to raise her. -- Matt of the Wilson 22:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I second that agreement that VanDread has many themes of the LGBT type, however this series does not present these themes in a way that specifically targets the issues of homosexual and heterosexual cultures. In fact, I contend that VanDread expresses more of a Asexual culture more than that of a LGBT one. (Much like in the novel HERLAND, by Charlotte Perkins Gilman-look it up!)Moreover, the undertones of the series deals with ideas of sexism, masculism, feminism and human identity(Individuality and society). The Asexual aspects just show themeselves in a larger more Macro sized way. (ie: an entire sex praticing parthenogenesis, view:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis); unlike its LGBT/Heterosexual conflict which only appears in the series as a backdrop setting to allow for the exploration of human Existentialism (View:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism) . . . but thats just me. --AKIRA70 (talk) 10:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC) • contribs) 10:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I would agree with the Asexual definition, or even Homosexual would fit, but LBGT ? LBGT has a strong social/political movement type connotation, which seems unfitting for an animé where homosexuality is the norm, and as far as I know, there are no transexuals (correct me if I'm wrong). Doriphor (talk) 00:19, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

While I don't think the show really addresses typical LGBT issues that well, it was still very relevant to LGBT interests because it encouraged looking at sexuality in a different way when I was young - probably shaped my opinions a little since I was in my early to mid teens when I watched it. Same thing with Ranma ½. 83.253.22.28 (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

The Author

I don't know anything about the creator of VanDread, and am actually kind of curious. Currently the article links to an old Japanese military officer (died in 1945). I'm pretty sure that's not our guy, so anything now anything about this and can fix it? --'Kash 00:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes wrong Takeshi Mori. Removed link. Japanese wiki has page on him: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%82%E3%82%8A%E3%81%9F%E3%81%91%E3%81%97 Anyone can translate?

Name Arrangement

I think it's worth mentioning that the characters in VanDread don't refer to each other in typical Japanese fashion; e.g. their surnames follow their given names, which is more typical of Western culture.

Third Stage

I noticed that someone was looking for a "Third Stage" season of Vandread. As far as anyone knows, it doesn't exist. There were ideas for a season to star Hibiki's daughters, but that was scrapped for the Second Stage season.

Can you show the reference to "According to an anime magazine called FCM, Gonzo is working to make the third stage of Vandread with Dita's and Meia's daughters as the lead characters"?

Go to Youtube and type down "Proof of Code Geass R3" to see the magazine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.184.96.70 (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

For the record: FCM stands for 4chan Magazine. Exactly. Shiroi Hane (talk) 18:25, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler Warning

I'm not sure on the precedure to place a spoiler warning correctly, or how to mark this page as needing one. But with a whole section designated for plot and some of the information in the "Characters" section I feel that there is a serious need for one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FreakyFrogThing (talk • contribs) 13:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

There has been a consensus somewhere that spoiler warnings are not necessary on series that have been out for a while. The thought being: this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site, or something like that. Sorry I can't remember exactly where I read that, but I'm certain that is the current guideline/policy. --Eruhildo (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Cut sections

These are basically WP:Trivia sections. As for "anime/manga" differences, comparisons between the two versions is moot, simply because by nature of each medium, changes and differences are naturally to occur. KyuuA4 (talk) 19:27, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I found them kind of annoying myself. --Eruhildo (talk) 23:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Anime vs. Manga

Two volumes and one special manga were written, serving as an alternate storyline to the canonical anime series. But for some reason they made one english volume and didn't do the rest. The manga takes a vastly different approach to the story, with several characters reinvented, and new ones added. Some of the differences include:

• Hibiki's Vanguard was not changed by the Paksis Pragma.

• Dita is less childish in the manga.

• The only Vandread unit featured is the Dita-Type Vandread, and it is permanently fused.

• Meia acts as captain of the Nirvana.

• Hibiki and Dita's relationship progresses at a much quicker pace, and in a more obvious fashion.

• Hibiki calls the mejeras by their names and Dita calls him by his name and not Mr. Alien.

• Bart makes a short appearance in the first chapter, but is not a crew member of the Nirvana.

• Duelo, Ezra, Paiway, Gascogne, and Pyoro do not appear in the manga.

• Jura is a bridge operator in Ezra's absence. She is shown to have a distinct dislike of men, while Barnette falls in love with Hibiki.

• Hibiki is the only male aboard the Nirvana.

• Hibiki shows kindness to the mejeras, except Meia.

• The Vandread has an evil counterpart called the Vandora.

• There are two new characters in the manga: Tenho, a twelve year-old, green-haired pirate who has the ability to interact with machines (she tends to explain a lot of things) and tends to Hibiki like a surrogate sister, and Asra, a blue-haired pirate who pilots Vandora. She tries to seduce Hibiki, but failed thanks to Tenho. She fought Hibiki and Dita in their robots. She was actually being controlled by Vandora, but was freed by Hibiki and Dita, thus becoming a new crew member and acting as Tenho's mother.

• BC is a woman, and acts as the main villain.

• In BC's flashback, it shows she was in love with a man, showing she did not come from Taraak, Mejere, or Earth.

Trivia

• Dita and Meia can be seen at a carnival in Stratos 4.

• The 3D graphics and combating is simliar to it's counterpart, Pilot Candidate.

Refs dump

ANN Shelf life --KrebMarkt 16:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

ANN DVD collection --KrebMarkt 07:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek: Voyager

the story of both show are totally weird

Star Trek: Voyager PLOT

In the pilot episode, "Caretaker", USS Voyager departs station Deep Space Nine on a mission into the treacherous Badlands to find a missing ship piloted by a team of Maquis rebels, which the Vulcan Lt. Tuvok, Voyager's security officer, has secretly infiltrated. Suddenly, the starship is enveloped by a powerful energy wave, which ends up damaging the ship, killing several of its crew, and stranding the ship on the far side of the galaxy, more than 70,000 light-years from Earth.

Voyager eventually finds the Maquis ship, and the two crews reluctantly agree they must join forces in order to survive their long journey home. Chakotay, leader of the Maquis group, becomes first officer. B'Elanna Torres, a half-human/half-Klingon Maquis, becomes chief engineer. Tom Paris, whom Janeway released from a Federation prison to help her find the Maquis ship, is made Voyager's helm officer. Due to the deaths of the ship's entire medical staff, The Doctor, an Emergency Medical Hologram designed for short-term use only, is employed as the Chief Medical Officer. Neelix, a Talaxian scavenger, and Kes, a young Ocampan, natives of the Delta Quadrant, are welcomed aboard as the ship's chef/morale officer, and The Doctor's medical assistant respectively.[4]

Set in a universe where humans have colonized the galaxy, and in one star system, men and women are completely segregated (on completely different planets: Mejere by the women, Taraak by the men) causing the gender war to be more than just a metaphor.

Vandread PLOT

Male protagonist Hibiki Tokai, a third-class laborer, Hibiki is caught in a battle with female pirates that causes all of the ship's crew to evacuate, except for Hibiki, Duelo McFile, and Bart Garsus. Stuck on board and held as prisoners by female pirates, things seem to have hit an all-time low for Hibiki until the retreating males retaliate by firing torpedoes at the ship to prevent it from falling into women's hands. The Paksis Pragma, the mysterious, living core of the battleship, eradicates the missile, forming a wormhole that sends the pirates and warship to a distant part of the galaxy, fusing the battleship with the female pirates' vessel. The fusion results in a quirky ship with very smooth lines, a host of technical problems.

so borgs 2 ships 2 kinds that hate each others must work with each other going to far away to far away in the space going home and so mach more — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.132.33.36 (talk) 16:02, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Biased opinion

Having "It also utilizes well-animated characters and cleanly rendered CG action sequences." in the very first paragraph is not only breaking the flow of the article, but is also a personal opinion and kind of taints the whole article with subjectivity. I'll delete it for now until someone finds something objective to put there. (Describing it as an animation/CG hybrid ???)Doriphor (talk) 00:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Plot

Nobody seems to get exactly what happened in the first episode 'wormhole' event. (NOTE: I think the crystal entity's name should be spelled "Pyxis". Just an idea)

Here's how I see it:

The "Muramasa" missiles are closing in. Jura, Meia and Dita are told to evacuate, but Dita's Dread is stuck, very near the Pyxis core. She fires thrusters, but is unable to move. She yells "Somebody help me!" THEN the Pyxis lights up, the ship and everything nearby are pushed through a hole in space, and the missiles detonate on the spot seconds after the ships are gone.

It sure looks like it was Dita's cry for help that activated the Pyxis. We see it respond to strong emotions later in the series.

All of the modified machines have two things in common: they are inside the Ikazuchi and in close proximity to people. Meia, Jura and Dita are in their Dreads, and Hibiki is in the Vanguard with the NAVI-robot.

By: Imaginos1892