Talk:Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike/GA2

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GA review 2

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Reviewer: Bobamnertiopsis (talk · contribs) 12:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hey, I'll take this one. It's been sitting in purgatory for far too long. I'll try to complete my review today. BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 12:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
Resolved GA comments

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Overall, this article is pretty close to GA-status. It's great to see articles on new theater at this level so early in their lives. Cleanup is mostly needed in the prose quality and some updating is needed, seeing as this one has been sitting around for a while. I'll add specific comments below. Feel free to contest any of these.

Lead

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  • "Several of the play's characters are named for the characters in plays by Anton Chekhov, and the play's setting in a cherry orchard and the possible loss of the family home are also from Chekhov works." Would this sentence work better slightly restructured for more cohesion? "Some of the show's element's were derived from the works of Anton Chekhov, including several of the characters' names, the play's setting in a cherry orchard, and the theme of the possible loss of an ancestral home." Variations would also work.
  • Can you make the line about critical review and commercial success active and more specific? "Critics praised VSMS for (X elements). The show also proved to be a commercial success, recouping its $2.75 million investment in under a year." I'd rather see more information about the crtical and commercial appraisal in the lead than a list of the various awards it won.
  • "the play's setting in a cherry orchard and the possible loss of the family home are also from Chekhov works." After a readthrough, I don't see this information cited anywhere in the article.

Production history

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Casting

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Plot

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Themes

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  • "According to Robin Pogrebin of The New York Times, "The play sets characters and themes from Anton Chekhov in present day Bucks County, Pa.."[3]" This is nothing we don't already know.
  • "The characters Vanya, Sonia and Masha are middle-aged siblings named after Chekhov characters.[6] Their deceased parents were "college professors who dabbled in community theater".[28]" We've already heard this before.
  • "According to Charles Isherwood of The New York Times, not only are the character names borrowed from Chekhov, but also "The country-house setting is also borrowed from the work of that Russian master, as are the self-delusions and self-pity that plague the central characters, all of whom have reached the difficult age when life’s path has narrowed uncomfortably, and there is little point in turning around and looking to take another, more rewarding course."[8]" This is good insight.
  • Pogrebin and Brantley can be wikilinked in references in which they are the authors.

Critical review

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  • Careful with tenses in this section. "Knowledge of Chekhov will increase the enjoyment of this work's in-jokes, but not as much as an understanding of Durang's absurdism, according to Theatermania.com's Brian Scott Lipton.[31]" is a fine in present tense because the play may still be enjoyed, but the next sentence, about the performances of certain cast members, should be written in past tense: "Brantley noted that even people who are unfamiliar with Chekhov would appreciate some of the humor, especially from Hyde Pierce, Nielsen and Weaver:" Brantley noting this already happened and so should be conveyed in the past.
  • "Brantley notes that even people who are unfamiliar with Chekhov will appreciate some of the humor, especially from Hyde Pierce, Nielsen and Weaver: "Even if you’ve never read a word of Chekhov, you’re likely to find plenty to make you laugh: Mr. Hyde Pierce’s skillfully low-key comic discomfort; Ms. Nielsen’s segues from manic eruption into glazed smiling stupor; Ms. Weaver’s game sendup of every self-loving, self-doubting movie queen there ever was."[6]" The prose portion of this section essentially says exactly what the quote does. Could you do with one or the other?
  • "calling it "blander and thinner"," comma should be a period.
  • Would it make more sense to cut this quote down? "He also noted that typically, "In Durang Land, of course, heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs" and that this work had plenty." How about "He also noted that in Durang's plays, "heartache is generally fodder for belly laughs" and that Vanya and Sonia and Masha and Spike had plenty."?
  • "According the New York Post critic, Elisabeth Vincentelli, the show improved with its transfer from Off-Broadway to Broadway, especially, Weaver's role, which was the weakest.[28]" Three things: 1) remove the comma after especially. 2) What is meant by "Weaver's role"? Did Weaver's acting improve? Was Masha rewritten by Durang? Some combination of the two? Something else? 3) "especially Weaver's role, which was the weakest." should again be clear that this was Vinventelli's opinion. "especially Weaver's role, which Vincentelli deemed the weakest."
  • "Weaver's character is an "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline" movie star, that Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post thinks her class of 1974 Yale School of Drama classmate Durang may have written for her.[27]" Three things: 1) Is Kennedy suggesting a causal relationship, that Durang wrote the part for her because they were classmates in 1974? 2) I'd move that she's a movie star before the quote. 3) that→who. Does this work instead? → "Weaver portrayed a movie star who was "overindulgent, self-centered and unaware she’s on the decline", a role that Mark Kennedy of The Washington Post suggested Durang, with whom Weaver graduated from the Yale School of Drama in 1974, may have written for her."
  • "Vincentelli also notes that Sigourney Weaver "has turned her life into a performance."[28]" No need for "Signourney". Also, what does the fact that she has "turned her life into a performance" mean in this context? It sounds like it relates to her life and not necessarily the show.

Awards and nominations

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Notes

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  • Looks good.
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More later! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 13:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Alright, I've finished a first review. There are a lot of small things to fiddle with but the article is fundamentally pretty sound. I'll put it   On hold for a week for now, though if you need more time, I'm happy to extend that. Once you've dealt with these issues, I'll give it another readthrough and we'll work from there. Good work on this so far! Sorry it was waiting in the queue for so long... Best, BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 20:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Second readthrough

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Great job resolving most of my comments! I'm taking a second readthrough now and will try to respond to any questions you had above. I've made a few small copyedits (Plot, Critical review Awards).

Overall, this article is very close to GA-status! Keep up the great work! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 15:54, 21 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

Final check

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These are the last few things, I promise. These are all in the lead which I purposefully neglected while the article's body was undergoing work.

Thanks for all your work on this! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 16:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

You've done an artful job of brining this article up to GA-status and indulging my suggestions! I'm happy to  Pass. Congrats and keep up the good work! Best, BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 23:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)Reply