Talk:Vardanes I

GA Review

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 05:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 05:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

GA Criteria
GA Criteria: 1 1.a Y 1.b Y 2 2.a Y 2.b Y 2.c Y 2.d Y 3 3.a Y 3.b Y 4 4.a Y 5 5.a Y 6 6.a Y 6.b Y

• No DAB links Y
• No dead links Y
• No missing citations Y

Discussion

• The Dąbrowa, and 2012, 2014, 2015 Olbrycht sources need journal names.

I couldn't find the journal names for Dabrowa 2012 and Olbrycht 2015, either that or I've misunderstood what they're supposed to be. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Found and added it; passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Prose Suggestions

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

Lede

• Mention that this takes place in the AD. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
• Suggest expanding lede. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Name

• The name is transliterated in Greek Ordanes Ὀρδάνης and Ordones Ὀρδώνης, and in Hatran Aramaic as wrdn suggest The name is transliterated in Greek as Ordanes Ὀρδάνης and Ordones Ὀρδώνης, and in Hatran Aramaic as wrdn

Biography

• In c. 40, suggest In c. 40 A.D.,
• However, the throne was seized by Gotarzes II, who, unlike Vardanes, was an adopted son of Artabanus II. suggest However, the throne was seized by Gotarzes II, an adopted son of Artabanus
• Gotarzes shortly had another brother, Artabanus, along with his wife and child, executed. suggest Gotarzes had another of his brothers, Artabanus, along with his wife and child, executed shortly after.
• who shortly besieged the city. suggest who soon besieged the city.
• However, the long siege of Seleucia resulted in Gotarzes gaining the upper hand in the conflict, who raised a new force and drove off Vardanes, who fled to Bactria in Central Asia. suggest However, the long siege of Seleucia resulted in Gotarzes gaining the upper hand in the conflict, allowing him to raise a new force and drive off Vardanes, who fled to Bactria in Central Asia.
• Turmoil shortly occurred in Armenia, where its Arsacid king Orodes (who was Vardanes' brother) was deposed by the Roman emperor Claudius (r. 41–54), who appointed the Pharnavazid prince Mithridates in his stead. suggest At the same time, Armenia suffered turmoil, when its Arsacid king Orodes, the brother of Vardanes, was deposed by the Roman emperor Claudius (r. 41–54), who appointed the Pharnavazid prince Mithridates in his stead.
• He heavily decreased the self-rule of the city, notably its privilege to mint its own coins, which was removed. suggest He heavily decreased the autonomy of the city, notably its privilege to mint its own coins, which was removed.
• @HistoryofIran: That is all my suggestions, once the citation issues with journals are fixed I can pass the article. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@HistoryofIran: @Iazyges: I have had a go at improving the content and grammar in the article. Please feel free to amend as you see fit. As a general comment, I struggle to see how this article can be classified as anything higher than C Class. One specific issue is clarifying, if that is possible given the paucity of sources, who and when Parthia was ruled by either Vardanes and/or Gotarzes between c. 40 and c. 46 AD. (By the way, I have also redrafted parts of the Gotarzes II article with the aim of maintaining consistency bewtween the two articles.) Chewings72 (talk) 11:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't recall there was anything more to add, I think I milked the sources as much as possible. Parthian monarchs are generally very obscure. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I do understand. Trying to get anything reliable and consistent for this period, even for the Roman Empire, is a real challenge. We just have to work with what we have. Chewings72 (talk) 12:26, 21 September 2020 (UTC)