Talk:Vervet monkey/Archive 1

Archive 1

Genus

I think the genus article Vervet monkey and species article Vervet Monkey need less similar names. Joestynes 08:20, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Inline citations

Thanks to UtherSRG for adding inline citations since I don't know how to do it. -anon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.98.12.112 (talk • contribs).

You're welcome. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

BBC article

I noticed that an article appearing in the BBC news on Vervets raiding fields appears at teh foot of the page. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6959209.stm

They estimate there are close to 300 monkeys invading the farms at dawn. They eat the village's maize, potatoes, beans and other crops.

But this article:http://www.enviro.co.za/ethology/ states that damage is almost unknown and references to the mentioned crops of corn and potatoes are NOT present. This needs an expert on primates because the article also states the monkeys use gestures denoting sexual parody. I may be way off but I don't think vervets are up to using symbolic imagery in that way. Also would a group of 300 be unheard of when the typical group maximum is 50? It looks like the BBC has printed a spoof of some kind. I advise keeping it off the main page until it is verified. b_calder

Here is the resource I found: http://www.enviro.co.za/ethology/ Please look at it and decide whether it is worth using as an external reference. It is butt ugly but they have had a Vervet rehabilitation farm since about 1993 and have investigated the interaction of humans and Vervets in the course of daily activity. Not academic, but lots of practical experience.b_calder —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 01:35, August 25, 2007 (UTC).

While the BBC article is a bit "pop" (especially the whole "sexual harrasment" thing), it did unfortunately get the info right in regards of vervets being known to destroy crops (probably locally significant, but unlikely to be significant at higher levels) and occuring in exceptionally large groups under unusual circumstances (though if these truly are single groups or simply several comming together is of course questionable). This is, by the way, not unusual among primates - just see the massive groups Japanse Macaques have formed in Texas, USA, where introduced. I did, however, modify it somewhat, as the BBC article was used as a reference for the Vervet being considered a vermin in South Africa (I did find another ref. that supported this), and instead added a statement supported by the BBC ref. that they are known to destroy crops in Kenya (then we avoid the discussion of how significant this crop damage is - NPOV). I'm still looking for a ref. confirming that they can be killed by any method without a permit in South Africa (this sounds questionable at best, but I've left it with a request for a ref). 212.10.79.182 (talk) 16:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I've now removed the questionable "any" and replaced it with "shot" (which is supported by the ref. I found for them being classified as a vermin in S. Africa). 212.10.79.182 (talk) 17:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I have rearranged the page a bit and added more information and pictures - but it would be nice if someone could find descriptions on subspecies and their distribution, we can then add the subspecies name to some of the pictures. The description of the 'type subspecies' having white hands and feet is not correct in my opinion (from personal observation) but it is recorded in a well known mammal book as such (see the reference). Michaelwild (talk) 07:13, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

The 'Conservation Status' section reads too subjectively. Also, please avoid making biased claims (such as of popularity) that cannot be verified, in encyclopedia articles. Kotiyanimr (talk) 03:26, 07 January 2011 (UTC)

Behavior Updated

I have researched and added a significant amount of information to the behavior section. There is a lot of data published on social systems and behaviors, as well as recognition of individuals and groups. I will likely update and add more to this section at a later date. I did have some trouble categorizing the information, but tried to make everything relevant to the section heading. Katims90 (talk) 00:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Comments on Edits to Article

Hi Andrew, you did a really great job with this article! It was very thorough and really clearly organized. In the Intra- and inter-group social behavior section, I made some small grammatical changes and added some hyperlinks. In the Kin relationships section, I again only made some minor changes, as well as adding the definition for interbirth period. I also re-ordered the sections, to make the Distribution and Habitat section be before the Behavior section. I really loved the pictures in the article. It would be nice if there was a recording of the alarm calls that you have referred to in your section. Samara levine (talk) 23:47, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

This is a fantastic article. The behavior sections of this article are very well written; the article had good flow and I couldn't find any significant grammatical errors. I will continue to re-read it just to make sure that there aren't any small errors. The one suggestion that I have is about the spite section. It is a short section that seems to introduce a very minor aspect of the vervet monkey. I was wondering if there was any more information about the vervet's spite that could be added. The information may not be out there, but that section is one that could use some lengthening. Great job! --Jeremy.winkler (talk) 01:18, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Everything looked pretty good except for the first paragraph under social behavior. I had some trouble understanding what you were trying to say, especially about the male dispersal patterns. Overall, great job. Gabriel.hassler (talk) 04:41, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I found a youtube video demonstrating the vervet's alarm call to a leopard image. I looked extensively on wikipedia to ensure that I properly used the link, but I do appreciate any feedback if the link to the video is improperly used. The video is not copyrighted, and I could not find any templates on how to post a link. I also made a few grammar and wording changes to the alarm call section. WhitleyTucker (talk) 12:13, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Progress, suggestions

I have made some of the suggested updates to get the page to GA, but am not yet done. I replaced the up-close picture of the penis and scrotum because I didn't think it was pertinent to the species as a whole, and replaced it with a full body shot that still exemplifies the colored genitals. This weekend, I plan to organize the reference section and write an expanded introduction. I still think there should be a phylogeny section added. Also, there has been some interesting research done with alcoholism in Vervets, and I am considering including information on that. As of now, I only added a link to a video in the external links section. If others have any more suggestions, feel free to comment or update. Katims90 (talk) 20:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

-SUGESTION01 ->Page should show life expectancy of the animal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.61.147.92 (talk) 12:59, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Vervet monkey/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: LittleJerry (talk · contribs) 03:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC) Things to do:

• The lead most be expanded so that it summarizes the entire article.

•Started

• "The vervet monkey has a black face with a white fringe of hair, while the overall body color is mostly grizzled-grey" Don't you mean overall hair color?

•Done

• "Introduced vervets also occur in Barbados, Saint Kitts, and Nevis. Dania Beach, Florida is also home to about 20 vervets." No need to use vervets twice. Replace one with "monkeys".

•Done

• "Within each sex, there are dominance hierarchies." I think that it should be "there are separate dominance hierarchies for each sex."

•Done

• "A large proportion of interaction occurs between individuals who are similarly ranked and closely related" Interaction should be plural.

•Done

• "Once an individual is three years or older, that individual is considerably more likely to be involved in conflict." Bolded wording should be replaced with "it".

•Done

• "This suggests the members within a group are actively monitoring the activity of other groups, including the movement of individuals within a group." "the" should be replaced with "that".

•Done

• The mention of WildEarth.tv and the youtube link should be deleted.

•Unsure about this, the links make reference to problems arising from cohabitation with humans. They are perceived as a nuisance.

• There should be mention of when the monkey mate and give birth.

•Not yet started.

• "A juvenile scream will elicit a reaction from all mothers, yet the mother had a shorter latency in looking in the direction of the scream, as well as an increased duration in her look." This sentence is confusing. Which mother is the bold referring to?

•Corrected

• "Contests primarily involved postweaning resource allocation by the common mother, specifically over grooming". This sentence is also confusing and needs to be rewritten. In particular "involve" should not be in past tense.

•Done

• "While all group members participate in infant caretaking, juvenile females who cannot yet menstruate participate the majority of allomothering." The second "participate" should be replaced with "are responsible for".

•Done

• "At the same time, allomothers gained experience..." Shouldn't be past tense.
• "Juvenile females discriminate in preference for the infant they choose to allomother, and will usually choose siblings or infants of high-ranking individuals." Another confusing sentence.

•Done

• The first part of the "Diet" section needs a reference.

•Done

• "Multiple organisations are involved in vervet monkey conservation even though its status according to the IUCN is 'Least concern'." Just list its status (with IUCN ref) the bold part is not needed.
• I think the "Conservation status" and "In ancient history" sections should be merged as they are both too short. Title the new section something like "Human interactions".

•Done

• The reference section needs cleanup. Some page ranges have dashes instead of endashes and there are missing DOIs. I also would suggest you use citation templates.
• This article could also benefit from having the images in the gallery moved to the body.

Thank you for your review. I will be editing the page as requested throughout the next week or so. Katims90 (talk) 15:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Just a few notes: I think I have completed all of your recommendations. Information about the monkey mating and gestation time were mentioned in the behavior section under reproduction. I also have heard that they are perceived as a nuisance, but am having trouble finding a good source to get this information from. Finally, as for the DOIs, it is my understanding that they are only on articles published after 2000. Correct me if I'm wrong about this, but that is why I did not include them on various articles when editing the reference section. Katims90 (talk) 14:57, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay then. Passed. LittleJerry (talk) 04:44, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Vervet monkey

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Result of discussion was merge with vervet monkey. -- Jack (talk) 19:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Chlorocebus pygerythrus pygerythrus is a non-notable nominate subspecies of the vervet monkey (Chlorocebus pygerythrus). This doesn't usually warrant a separate article. Jack (talk) 09:53, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pronunciation?

French vervé or verviTT. Now there's an Ubuntu version named after it, we need to know. --Elmeter (talk) 11:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Reproduction section accuracy

A lot of the info in the reproduction section looks to be unrealistic. I'm not sure I know where best to acquire the correct info but it definitely looks wrong. 1.7 day gestation, no external signs of desiring watermelon, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.83.120.66 (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC)