Talk:Victim Rights Law Center

Notability

The page does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion. I am starting this page because a Victim Rights Law Center does exist in Boston, MA and it is an organization that deserves a wikipedia page so that users can learn more about it. I have already provided the link to its website - it is a reputable non-profit. I am just starting to develop the page (thus, it is very barren, for now). Stephanie

First, mere existence of an organization is not enough for a Wikipedia page. An organization must meet minimum notoriety requirements before an article can be created about it, regardless of its mission. The kind of link you must provide to assert that this organization does meet our inclusion guidelines (that is, deserves a Wikipedia page, as you say) is the kind where the organization itself does not have a say in what goes in and what does not. In short, you must provide third-party references from reputable sources. As notability cannot be self-proclaimed, we are waiting for evidence that the organization is recognized as notable by people without a connection to it. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 19:17, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Well... I'm not connected to Victim Rights Law Center. I don't work there or anything. I have just heard about VRLC from people close to me. Am I "evidence that the organization is recognized as notable by people without a connection to it"?? I'm really lost. I tried looking through the pages about all of this and it is not making much sense..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stedemkat (talk • contribs) 21:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. What I'm talking about is references in publications generally considered reliable. See our guidelines on reliable sources and our primary inclusion guideline. Also, please take a look at this opinion on the inclusion of non-profit organizations as well. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 22:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for my general ignorance on this whole process. I read the article on non-profit organization pages and understand that wikipedia is an encyclopedia not meant to advertise any organization or promote it in any way, and this is definitely not my intention. When you talk about these references, do YOU need to see them in order to approve this page, or do they need to be included in the page itself (as sources for the information I include on the page)? The following are links to articles from news sources that mention the victim rights law center: Salem News - "Child rape victim faces new struggles even as case ends" "Sex assault responders forming alliances"2 Boston Globe - "Rape cases underscore difficulty for investigators"Stedemkat (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The whole point here is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such it should not be used to make a topic's existence known or to use as a directory. Google is better suited to fill that role than Wikipedia will ever be, and there are scores of free web hosts you might want to use. As a non-profit organization, you might even be able to get one, ad-free, from the government of your state. But Wikipedia's aim is to be a reference for topics that have already achieved a certain level of notoriety, not to boost the notoriety of those that haven't.

As for your references, they only mention the Law Center in passing, and so do not qualify as "significant coverage." -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 00:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

This organization is notable perhaps mostly for advocating reform of laws dealing with victims of sexual assault. I've added numerous references to the article and believe that they constitute significant coverage. Gobonobo ^{T C} 02:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)