Talk:Victoria Tereshchuk

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved to Victoria Tereshchuk. --BDD (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Victoria Tereshuk → Victoriya Tereshchuk – Wrong spelling. Russian/Ukrainian "Щ" is equal English "shch", but not "sh" (equal "Ш"). For example, Shchyolkovo, Mytishchi, Nikolay Shchors etc. Also, her name is Viktoriya (UKR), not Viktoria. Proof links: Sports-Reference London2012 etc. Some refs use uncorrect spelling (Pentathlon) but it is not argument against renaming. Relisted. BDD (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2012 (UTC) NickSt (talk) 17:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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• Support surname, neutral on Victoria and speedy close per WP:BLP and WP:RS sources. Note other Tereshchuk BLPs all spelled correctly. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Not too concerned about Victoria/Viktoria/Viktoriya - that's simply a stylism, though English style "Victoria" is found on Ukainian National Olympic Committee site and "Viktoriya" on London 2012. The surname is a blatant mistake. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose changing "Victoria", neutral on surname per WP:COMMONNAME. According to Google search, only 8 sites use the spelling "Victoriya Tereshchuk", three of which are iterations of this discussion and none of which seems particularly reliable. Even just changing the last name gives far more results in reliable sources for Tereshuk rather than Tereshchuk. I'm all for settling this naming issue for good, I really don't care that much, but why would we change the name of the article to one that absolutely no one in English uses? Also, we don't always have to correct for what's technically accurate, otherwise every article here (or at least the ones from Arabic-speaking countries) would have to have their spelling changed to "Muhammad" per the LOC's transliteration guide. Canadian Paul 04:31, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Canadian Paul,

First try running that again with Victoria Tereshchuk not "Viktoriya" as Nom. The nom is trying for too much correcting Victoria as well as the surname.

Second, sorry but WP:BLP has priority over WP:COMMONNAME which doesn't apply to BLPs where there are insufficient reliable sources. We have a sum total of 3x printed English sources on Google Books. 1x Forum Magazine of Ukrainian Workingmen's Association (U.S.A.) 2006 which has "Judo -Roman Hontiuk; Modem Pentathlon — Viktoria Tereshchuk", and 2x Sports Around the World: History, Culture, and Practice - Page 129 John Nauright, Charles Parrish - 2012 "Heather Fell (Great Britain) Victoria Tereshuk (Ukraine). + Sports Illustrated Almanac 2008 Page 495 "Victoria Tereshuk, Ukraine Men 1 Julien Absalon, France". We can't knowingly misspell a BLP name simply because 2x of 3x GB sources do so. Muhammad has various spellings according to the 3 dozen languages (and half dozen varieties of Arabic), Tereshchuk has one spelling - the correct one, and shch and sh are different letters all across en.wp. If we deliberately mispell this one it will be the only Russian/Ukrainian bio/geo so mispelled. And to be honest it isn't going to stick; a deliberate mispelling of a Living Person based on a spelling error in some English sources will not hold. The name is Терещук, and the RM will inevitably be reopened before it is half-closed. There's something very wrong if Wikipedia starts mispelling a name when even the BBC spell her surname correctly. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Still don't agree totally but, as long as we're not using a name that absolutely no one in English uses, then it's not worth arguing about for something that won't matter much to 99.9% of people who read the article. As long as there is a consensus that can be pointed to in the future, I'm happy. So I've changed my opinion to neutral on the surname, but still opposing the change to the given name. I'll even be happy to do the work of fixing all the incoming links and internal spelling if consensus is to change. Canadian Paul 15:09, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

• Comment (as nominator). Ok. After discussion I agree with moving to Victoria Tereshchuk. NickSt (talk) 10:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

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 Done. I will check tomorrow that the bot has fixed all the resulting double-redirects. JohnCD (talk) 19:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

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