Talk:Victoria cricket team

Yes, merge the two pages to avoid duplication.

Amount of victories by Victorian Bushrangers inconsistent ...

Just a small observation: in the entry on the Pura Cup[1], the Victorian Bushrangers are listed as having won 26 titles over the years that they have been included in the competition. In this entry on the Bushrangers, however, it states that they have won 25 titles.

I have been unable to find out yet which is the correct number, but this should be amended should anyone know how many times the Bushrangers have actually won the Pura Cup in their history.

Dodgy link?

The article includes a line with the text "(See for a full listing of past players)." there is no link associated with this text, and nor does it refer to anything on the page.

Nickname

This applies to all the state sides, actually: presumably "Bushrangers" wasn't part of the official team name in 1851, but there's no mention of when the change took place: I'd imagine quite recently. Loganberry (Talk) 15:04, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd be betting it was when they introduced one day cricket. Good one to email the commentators about. MrAngy 07:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

No sooner had I said that, did I read this http://www.bulls.com.au/default.asp?PageID=406

The Board of Queensland Cricket made the decision to run with the Bulls name following a surge in the take-up of sporting team names in Brisbane, with rugby league's Brisbane Broncos, basketball's Brisbane Bullets, Australian Football's Brisbane Bears (later to become the Lions), all capturing the following of the sporting public.

Such a concept appealed to the major sponsor of Queensland Cricket, Castlemaine Perkins, and the XXXX Queensland Bulls (later XXXX Gold) were created in time for the 1993-94 season amid a wave of publicity.

The Bulls were the inaugural first-class cricket team in Australia to be identified by a name other than their State home

MrAngy 07:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Western Warriors which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 16:15, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Request to rename selected articles

Hi, I've been going around the houses but the end product is a proposal to rename some cricket team article titles as follows:

New South Wales cricket team to New South Wales (cricket team)

Queensland cricket team to Queensland (cricket team)

South Australia cricket team to South Australia (cricket team)

Tasmania cricket team to Tasmania (cricket team)

Victoria cricket team to Victoria (cricket team)

Western Australia cricket team to Western Australia (cricket team)

Auckland cricket team to Auckland (cricket team)

Canterbury cricket team to Canterbury (cricket team)

Central Districts cricket team to Central Districts (cricket team)

Northern Districts cricket team to Northern Districts (cricket team)

Otago cricket team to Otago (cricket team)

Wellington cricket team to Wellington (cricket team)

My rationale is based on the WP:ATDAB policy, the discussion at Talk:Dolphins (cricket team) and the resultant renaming of several RSA provincial teams to wrap "cricket team" in brackets. Please discuss here. If I am missing something in process, please amend accordingly. Thanks. Protea caffra (talk) 07:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose – I think this is something of a different scenario to the Dolphins one. As historic first-class teams, these are essentially representative teams for specific geographical areas, and the names are descriptive of the area they represent in the same manner that national teams are; they aren't club teams that just happen to be named after a local area. For this reason, I think using the same name format as we do for national teams is more appropriate here. Franchise teams ave specific names adopted for marketing purposes that – in the case of the Dolphins and other SA teams – lack a geographical element, so that's why the guidelines for club teams are more appropriate there. Was there any specific discussion about moving the South African provincial teams in this manner, or was it just done off the back of the franchise discussion? As with the Australian and NZ teams here, I'm inclined to prefer them at their previous unbracketed titles. Jellyman (talk) 17:25, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Looks like all the SA provinces were moved yesterday by @Park3r: I can't see any discussion about them being moved. I too think the regional teams are better as "xxx cricket team". Spike 'em (talk) 17:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

For completeness / consistency we should use the same naming convention on the below, which have all been moved, as above. Spike 'em (talk) 17:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Northerns cricket team

Gauteng cricket team

North West cricket team

Easterns cricket team

Eastern Province cricket team

Border cricket team

Western Province cricket team (South Africa)

Boland cricket team

Boland cricket team

Northern Cape cricket team

KwaZulu-Natal cricket team

KwaZulu-Natal Inland cricket team

South Western Districts cricket team

Kei cricket team

Limpopo cricket team

Mpumalanga cricket team

Oppose. Agree with Jellyman that teams representing geographical entities are better left as they are, without the brackets. Johnlp (talk) 22:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Responding to the question raised by Jellyman above, I don't believe there was any specific discussion about moving the South African provincial teams and, unless I have missed something, it was just done off the back of the discussion on the Dolphins talk page. By all means revert the names if the moves were done in haste. Thanks. Protea caffra (talk) 23:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

The teams only loosely represent(ed) geographic entities in South Africa, despite their names. "Eastern Transvaal"/Easterns has no strong geographic link to the area known at the Eastern Transvaal (Mpumalanga today), and probably never had one. Similarly Transvaal represented a small portion of the Transvaal. "Border" is another nebulous geographic term. Also WP:NAME. But feel free to revert if you strongly disagree. Park3r (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

That's not correct. Even Easterns, which don't have a lot of history, have played all their home matches at Springs or Benoni which are in... Eastern Gauteng. Border may be a somewhat nebulous area in terms of its margins, but the team is geographically tied to the region centred on East London, going back into the 19th century. Johnlp (talk) 09:20, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Even if they aren't as strictly tied to political divisions as, say, the Australian state sides, they are still effectively intended as representative sides for geographical areas and the governing bodies that administer cricket in those areas, as opposed to being club-level teams. Jellyman (talk) 10:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Easterns were called Eastern Transvaal, which was as bizarre a geographic name for the cricket club 30 years ago, as it is today (in fact "Eastern Transvaal" was mostly the lowveld in those days, which is even smaller, and further east, than modern Mpumalanga province). I suppose there could be a lot of clarification in each of these articles about the geographic regions they historically represented, but their names seem very weekly geographically based. Gauteng is even more egregiously misnamed, because even today, it represents southern Gauteng province. If Gauteng were called Southern Gauteng and Easterns called Eastern Gauteng, then the names Southern Gauteng cricket team and Eastern Gauteng cricket team would be consistent article names. However, if you feel strongly, you may revert the article name changes. Park3r (talk) 03:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)