Talk:Victory Tug

General Notability Requirements

Within 24 hours of posting the original version, a banner was posted at the head of the article saying that it did not meet the Wikipedia notability requirements and invited an immediate post to this talk page to explain why the article should be accepted. The article needs some cleanup to remove references to primary sources, but should be generally acceptable because: 1. The content is attributable to reliable and independent secondary sources and is verifiable. The secondary sources cited are third-party and include recent multi-page articles in Classic Yacht Magazine devoted soley to Victory Tugs which can be viewed online Classic Yacht Magazine, Victory in Seattle, Dec. 2006 and Classic Yacht Magazine, Victory in The Pacific, Spring 2007 and an article in Sea Magazine, December 2006, "Lord of the Tugs". 2. Additional verifiable secondary sources are known to exist and will be added as soon as possible. 3. There is no intended commercial or promotional slant, and no one to benefit from such a slant. The company that produced the tugs has been permanently out of business since 1988. The company produced over 200 boats (not all were Victory Tugs) which is significant and noteworthy. The founders and others associated with the company were not involved with producing this article and had no knowledge that it was being produced. 4. The facts presented are believed to be generally accepted and are not likely to be contested.

What exactly is the objection?

John Howell (talk) 16:20, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

The ssource I clicked on last night were mostly to a password-protected usergroup, and the ones I could load didn't seem to mention the subject much at all. Maybe this is improving? -- Dougie WII (talk) 17:01, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Were you able to read the Classic Yacht Magazine articles from the links above? They mention the subject quite extensively. John Howell (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Specifically In the December 2006/Winter 2007 issue, the "Victory in Seattle" article is on p. 26-31, and the designer Jim Backus appears in a "Living Legends" article on pages 32- 34 of that same issue. In the Spring 2007 issue, the article titled "Victory in the Pacific" is on p. 58-64. John Howell (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

In order to address concerns of appearing like an ad I have cleaned up the article including a significant reduction in size. What is the process to have this re-reviewed so the banner is removed?

Added James Backus as the designer. Added link to Westlawn Institute. Several references to him on the Westlawn Institute of Marine Technology website. The Westlawn "sucesss stories" page which lists many well known designers as graduates lists Backus as follows: "James Backus, Independent Designer, Designer For Pearson, Robert Perry, Former President Westlawn" Another page on the Westlawn site shows photos of Backus' designs including one of the Victory Tug.

John Howell (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Removing the advertising and notability tags as the issues are now satisfied. John Howell (talk) 05:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks good :) RIP-Acer (talk) 15:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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