Talk:Visa requirements for United States citizens/Archive 1

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In the title "United States citizens" should be changed to "United States nationals"

From what I have read on the US passport section on Wikipedia, shouldn't the "citizens" in the title be changed to "nationals" as passports are issued to US nationals. The visa requirements would be the same and would be more accurate. I would do it myself but I am not sure about how to write this in as there would ba a few knock on effects and I am unfamiliar with the coding. (one would need to divert old title to new title) 109.202.232.126 (talk) 23:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

• I agree, passports are generally issued to citizens. In fact, not all US nationals are allowed to have a US passport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.92.40 (talk) 15:34, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
  • The only United States nationals are the residents of American Samoa. Everyone else who has a U.S. passport is a citizen. There is no need for a title change, as both citizens and nationals residing in American Samoa use the same passport. --XLR8TION (talk) 00:26, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
    • US passports are issued to US nationals (which for the most part also so happen to be US citizens). They are NOT specifically issued to US citizens. This should reflect with the title.109.202.232.126 (talk) 09:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Change in Azerbaijan visa rules

I'm not good at Wikipedia editing but the visa rules for Americans going to Azerbaijan have changed. According to the State Department (http://azerbaijan.usembassy.gov/obtaining_a_visa.html), as of Oct. 15 visas are no longer available on arrival, and must be obtained in advance. This should be reflected in the Wikipedia entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.237.35.158 (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

I fixed it. Thanks for the note! Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 15:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Visas obtained prior to travel

Since this article is about visa requirements in general, should not the visa requirements for countries beyond those that require no pre-travel visa or visa on arrival be added? --Tterrag (talk) 00:45, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure. To be implemented soon. --Ozguroot (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Argentina

Argentina is no longer visa-free for United States citizens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.208.201 (talk) 01:33, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Source please? --Ozguroot (talk) 12:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Americans and passport holders of several other countries have to pay a reciprocity fee on arrival to the Ezeiza International Airport just like those arriving to the Pudahuel Airport in Santiago, Chile. It is the only point of entry in the country, just like in Santiago, that weighs the fee at the moment. All other points of entry do not weigh the fee. Either way, it's not classified as a visa-on-arrival. --Tterrag (talk) 06:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Tterrag is correct. Sorry about that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.201.56 (talk) 05:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I think "visa-free" and "visa-on-arrival" mean the same thing. What's the difference? I went to "visa-free" countries (Ecuador, Colombia) and they all gave me a visa-on-arrival. Argentina gave me a visa-on-arrival too; no difference, except that I had to pay the reciprocity fee ($160 I think) at EZE. I took a speedboat to Uruaguay and back to Argentina: visa-on-arrival both times. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 02:44, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The main difference is that you have to pay a fee for a visa on arrival. Thus: Armenia = visa-on-arrival, France = visa-free.

Let's cite sources

Main page: WP:CITE

We need to properly cite sources. Citing another Wikipedia article is not acceptable, but we can copy and paste valid citations from other articles into this one. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 10:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Cuba

Where is Cuba in the lists?Ertly (talk) 13:42, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Not there. US citizens in general are banned from entering Cuba by the US Government. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

US citizens can still enter Cuba visa-free. Technically, the sanctions generally prohibit spending any money in Cuba. But regardless: Cuba grants visa-free entry to US citizen; US law doesn't change that. US passports are legally valid for travel to Cuba, other US laws notwithstanding. Timatic reflects that US citizens can enter Cuba with an airline/tour-operator-issued 'tourist card' (e.g. effectively like entering Mexico via air with a similar tourist card program). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.126.119.254 (talk) 22:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Error - Australia

US citizens travelling to Australia require an Electronic Travel Authority which must be granted before travelling to Australia (fee payable). The world map claims a visa is granted on arrival which is not correct. Robert Brockway (talk) 05:04, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Good call. I added that note in the intro and image caption. We still need someone good with graphics to edit the image. Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 03:27, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done Travelbird (talk) 16:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Could we label Australia as a country where you need an "Electronic Visa?" (Look at the visa requirements for bruneian citizens, Australia and US both require citizens of other countries that are allowed in without a visa to register their passports online and pay a fee) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.62.238.126 (talk) 17:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Error - Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico has to be colored blue, not green, since it belongs to the US. Daniel32708 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Belarus

You may obtain visa when entering Belarus through Minsk national airport (MSQ). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.252.231.99 (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree... various official .by government websites say slightly different things, but the only thing that truly makes it an airport visa an 'exceptional case' is the cost. I disagree with the reversion. 69.178.80.119 (talk) 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The Belarus airport visa required advance clearance by Belarussian officials. These types of visas are not counted as VOA as they do require pre-travel documentation. Travelbird (talk) 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

South Sudan?

What kind of visa requirements are needed for to travel to South Sudan?

Additionally, in the chart for Africa, I don't see an entry for the Republic of Sudan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.46.125.227 (talk) 07:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Answer: At the time of this writing, a one-month single-entry "visit" visa is available to most nationalities (including Americans) on arrival at Juba airport. The cost is $50 for neighboring countries (Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, DRC, and CAR) and $100 for everyone else. The map should be updated to show the country split. 196.2.13.9 (talk) 09:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done --88.240.18.28 (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Countries not listed?

May I kindly inquire what it means when a country is not on the list? Obviously the map is supposed to reflect the policy of every country, but what I like about the list below the map is that it gives additional information, such as how long one can enter for, or what the requirements are to obtain the visa. I assume that through TimaticWeb (not to mention the info posted on the embassy websites of each country) all of the necessary information is available, so why are some countries colored in on the map but not included on the list? Thanks for any insight. Wingedbeaver (talk) 17:00, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

This list is incomplete. You and all other editors may edit it at any time. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 20:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I've completed list. 188.242.143.240 (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Mexico in Central America?

Why is Mexico not included in North America? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.183.27.99 (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done--88.240.18.28 (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Suriname

Both the US Department of State Travel site and the International Airline Travel Association (IATA) note that in lieu of a visa, a “Tourist Card” that allows U.S. passport holders one entry to the Republic of Suriname for tourist purposes. The “Tourist Card” costs $25.00 (U.S.) and can be purchased at the port of entry in Suriname (Johan Adolf Pengel International Airport). See http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1030.html#entry_requirements and http://www.staralliance.com/en/services/visa-and-health/ however I'm not changing the information (or red to green) since it conflicts with the reference at the Suriname Embassy site. However, information from the IATA is probably correct given that Airlines end up paying fines if they neglect to ensure the traveller has a required visa. Markbyrn (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Hawaii

Hawaii is shaded blue on the map, even though it's part of the United States (and therefore should be shaded red). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.213.164 (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed; that should be changed (unfortunately I only edit svg maps...).... L.tak (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

This is still an issue. Is there any way to solve this, it looks seriously bad. Outback the koala (talk) 02:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

 Done (But not done by me) (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 05:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

No Such thing as "Visa Free"...

There is no Such thing as "Visa Free". I hear this phrase a lot. It is contrasted here with "visa on arrival".

I have traveled, lived, and worked in nations in Europe, Africa, and Asia, about a dozen and a half nations.

Never have I gone to a nation that was Visa Free. Every nation will give you a Visa Upon Arrival.

"Visa Free" is an inaccurate colloquialism we use to mean "no pre-arranged visa required".

For example, when I worked for Hawaiian Airlines in the Philippines, our Honolulu based information stock stated the following: "For US citizens travelling to Japan, a visa is not required for stays up to 90 days. Upon arrival, the passenger will receive a visa sticker in their passports valid for 90 days."

Sounds a bit contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.183.92.40 (talk) 15:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

True that it is sometimes confusing and the term visa free is sometimes used a bit too loosely. But: visa free exists. The US has a visa-waiver system, and the UK can be entered by EU nationals visa-free. There is sometimes an entry stamp, but that is not a visa (although: I have visa in the form of a stamp ;-)). So there are truly 3 modes: visa (incl on arrival) and visa free... L.tak (talk) 16:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Non-recognized states and pariah entities

Please see and/or contribute at:

Main page: Talk:List_of_states_with_limited_recognition § Input_and_opinions_requested_regarding_visa_requirement_pages

• Yikes That talk page is looking pretty bloated and intense. Here, we can stay cool and mention certain states with limited recognition if they have reliable sources stating a particular visa policy for US passport holders. If we have a reliable source that says, for example, that Kosovo gives a 90 day visa stamp for free on arrival, we can write that even if not every country in the world recognizes its declaration of independence. What matters is the de facto policy followed by the immigration officers at airports and roadblocks, not esoteric discussion of nationhood. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 05:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Proper references

We do have at least a proper <ref> </ref> tag for each datum, but we need to start adding real citation information -- at least an "accessed xx Month 2013" for each since these data change quickly and users want to know at a glance whether the webpage we cite was last checked recently or many years ago. I started with refs for Brazil. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 05:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Map update

The map needs to be updated to move Senegal to "grey" (visa required), but I have no idea how... will someone take the time to do it?

Jackstormson (talk) 00:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Phlippines is now 30 days.

I can't edit the Wikipedia page, but US citizens can nwo get a 30 day visa on arrival for Philippines. Can someone please update the wiki?

Source: https://www.dfa.gov.ph/index.php/site-administrator/visa-information

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.138.212.57 (talk) 04:57, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Complete overhaul (November 2013)

After a few days of work I've managed to completely re-edit this article.

The article until yesterday had multiple issues:

• no references for many inputs
• dead links
• non specific references
• old references
• outdated information
• lack of information

What I've done is:

• I went through every single country and territory and checked their policy on both Timatic and Bureau of Consular Affairs.
• I re-edited everything
• I placed information in a nice consistent table
• I've expanded the article with many new territories

The article now has:

• Up to date information on every UN member state
• Up to date information on many other regions
• Significantly expanded scope of information covering many issues such as
  • limited availability of visas on arrival
  • departure taxes
  • strict immigration rules regarding additional documents asked at border in otherwise supposedly visa free countries
  • registration rules
  • information regarding "within" period for all countries where it applies
  • information on Israeli stamps
  • information regarding fingerprinting
  • information regarding Carte Jaune
  • information regarding blank pages and passport validity
  • information regarding online obtaining of certain visas
  • etc.

I hope the article is now mostly free of errors, but feel free to proof-read all information.

Thank you.--Twofortnights (talk) 23:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. —Quintucket (talk) 03:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I never edited a Wikipedia page before and I don't want to mess this up. I will try to learn by watching Youtube or something. Under Vietnam, Americans and probably many other countries can get a visa on arrival at major airports. You do need to apply online just 2 days before, and pick it up at the airport when you arrive. This might not be technically Visa on arrival, but it is so easy to fill out the only application just 2 days before arrival and when you get to the airport you really have nothing to do. What I can't remember though is about 4 years ago I took a bus from Cambodia to Vietnam and did the same thing, but according to to the Vietnamese Government website it says for airports only.Rich allen71 (talk) 06:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Rich_Allen71

Well that is already noted as "Pre-arranged visa obtained online through travel agencies available at Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City or Da Nang airports.". Whether in reality they accept it on ground crossings is a different thing, but officially they don't. It's possible also that things have changed since you've visited 4 years ago.--Twofortnights (talk) 13:23, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

References

Visa requirement for Venezuela

After the 1st March the USA citizens need a visa for entry to venezuela territory. See http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/01/us-venezuela-usa-idUSKBN0LX10J20150301 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:660:3203:401:0:0:0:A23 (talk) 13:23, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

OK could you please point out in that article where it says "1st March"?--Twofortnights (talk) 14:03, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Palau

The note states that, according to the Compact of Free Association, US citizens can live and work freely in Palau, but that the time limit is ony 1 year. Shouldn't it be unlimited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EternalNomad (talk • contribs) 05:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess they can renew the 1 year stay indefinitely.--Twofortnights (talk) 10:32, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

A mistake

This article has one mistake. Israel has a visa on arrival policy, rather than visa-free access, for US tourists. Even the source says so. --RM (Be my friend) 00:24, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Visa is not required, State Department is wrong - [1]--Twofortnights (talk) 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response, but how do you know this? No offense, but I think we should go along with what the source says rather than your personal testimony. Do you have a source that says a visa is not required?--RM (Be my friend) 20:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean how do I know? "Personal testimony"? Seriously? I provided you with an official link of the Israeli Government that is a supreme source of Visa policy of Israel. That is the source you are looking for.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:07, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi, same thing for Indonesia. US passport holders must apply for a visa on arrivial and pay a small fee. I can show you the visa in my passport if you need proof. In fact, if you look at your own link

http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?page_id=188

it says right there that there, copying and pasting from the page:

"The fees for Visa On Arrival are:

Visa for stay up to 7 (seven) days in several Special Economic Zones (SEZ)= US$ 15,- Visa for stay up to 30 (thirty) days = US$ 35,- Extension of stay for up to 30 (thirty) days = US$ 35,-"

Actually - http://www.embassyofindonesia.org/wordpress/?p=4010 - Tourist Visa Exemption for US Citizen --Twofortnights (talk) 16:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Mercury, Nevada

It's silly to have Mercury, Nevada listed on this page. One might as well add every military base, restricted portions of public and governmental buildings, and perhaps even closed environmentally-sensitive areas to the list. Seriously, the restrictions in place have nothing to do with getting a visa. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  09:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Mercury does appear to have had a sizable civilian population in the 1960s (maybe 10,000 people). It would have been a "closed city" in the same sense that Los Alamos was during World War 2. I think it is fair to distinguish 1960s Mercury and World War 2 Los Alamos from military bases with mostly non-civilian populations. An alternative description might be "secret city" or "classified city". I have to admit I found the reference to a closed city being in the United States as thought provoking. I'm not sure we'll ever have these types of cities or towns again in the U.S. 223.204.241.101 (talk) 09:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

The city definitely should be covered in its own article (which it is); I just don't think it belongs as a listing in this article, which is about visa requirements for US citizens when traveling outside the 50 states. As a side matter, I'm fine with listing US territories here since some people are oblivious to the fact that, as territories, they are still part of the US and a visa is not required.

Property of Wikipedia

May I remind Twofortnights (talk · contribs) that Wikipedia is a shared encyclopedia, not a reserved domain to someone. --Bouzinac (talk) 12:54, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Bouzinac OK and I undid your edit because you aligned one part of text to the right for no apparent reason and without an edit summary. That has nothing to do with Wikipedia being a shared encyclopedia I think.--Twofortnights (talk) 12:57, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Twofortnights (talk · contribs) I was being putting numbers right-aligned and was interrupted in my work. Thought to finish later and find that someone undid that "work". So I won't go on.--Bouzinac (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Svalbard

Svalbard has different rules than the rest of Norway because of the Svalbard Treaty, . It is not part of the Schengen Area for one thing. See http://www.emb-norway.or.th/studywork/visaandresidence/Svalbard/#.VEg95Pl4r7s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.246.144.16 (talk) 23:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

That is the information for Thailand citizens who need a visa for Norway. It's different for the US citizens, there is no de facto difference for them as they do not require a visa for Norway.--Twofortnights (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The key is here de facto. There is a differnce of course, and that is the entry which is formally governed through the Svalbard Treaty indeed.... L.tak (talk) 10:40, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Cuba visa requirement

Can we establish consensus on travel to Cuba? There seems to be lack of clarity on how the visa requirement is being described. "Travel Banned" has been applied a few times to Cuba's entry in the table, but that doesn't seem to be technically correct, per the sources.

"Tourist travel to Cuba is not yet authorized by current U.S. law. There are however, twelve categories of people who may visit Cuba without incurring a violation of the travel restrictions. In all 12 existing categories of authorized travel, travel previously authorized by specific license will be authorized by general license, subject to appropriate conditions. This means that individuals who meet the conditions laid out in the regulations will not need to apply for a license to travel to Cuba.

These 12 categories include: family visits; official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; journalistic activity; professional research and professional meetings; educational activities; religious activities; public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; support for the Cuban people; humanitarian projects; activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; exportation, importation, or transmission of information or information materials; and certain authorized export transactions." [2]

"All travelers to Cuba, including religious workers, should contact the Cuban Embassy in Washington to determine the appropriate type of visa required for their purpose of travel." [3]

So while yes there is a "travel ban" in the most basic sense, it isn't to say that every single form of travel is completely banned, and a visa requirement still technically does exist for eligible U.S. citizens.

Aesthetically speaking, it also is rather inconsistent with the rest of the table/map and its established color code (Red, green, etc.) to create just one block in black for "Travel Banned." I don't recall any other visa requirements tables having such a denomination, but I am happy to be pointed to any examples otherwise.

Additionally, since the table column "Visa required?" has an implicit Yes or No, the labels "Travel Restricted" or "Travel Banned" do not directly answer this and thus aren't appropriate to list in that column.

Thus, my preference would be that Cuba continues to have "Visa required" marked in the table as opposed to "Travel restricted" or "Travel banned", unless others disagree and feel an exception needs to be made here. Any thoughts? GabeIglesia (talk) 04:27, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

(Arton Capital) Passport Index

This is relevant and not an ad. The methodology is discussed here. https://www.passportindex.org/about.php
--92.4.96.96 (talk) 13:03, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

One of the ranking methods is "United Nations Development Programme Human Development Index (UNDP HDI) is used as a tie breaker. The UNDP HDI is a significant measure on the country’s perception abroad.". This is ridiculous, hope you understand that the HDI has no bearing on passport ranking.--Twofortnights (talk) 14:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I never said their ranking system was perfect, but I think due to it being mentioned by many sources it should be included to avoid undue weight.

• http://www.psfk.com/2015/09/passport-index-visa-free-score-visualization-tool.html
• http://bgr.com/2016/03/27/passport-index-most-powerful-travel-uk-united-states/
• http://hypebeast.com/2015/4/passport-index-displays-and-ranks-passports-from-around-the-world
  

--92.4.96.96 (talk) 14:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps you could include it in the United States passport article (with explaining the methodology of course) but here it makes no sense as the ranking is not based on visa requirements but on some imaginary quality.--Twofortnights (talk) 14:57, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Slight Changes to Jordan rules

Hello friends,

As of January 1, 2016 Jordan is requiring visas to be obtained in advance for US citizens crossing at the Eilat "Yitzak Rabin" border crossing, as well as the Allenby Bridge crossing. However, this change was very poorly documented on official Jordanian sources. If anyone has a nice official looking source I'd like to change this data point.

Thannks, 50.232.41.78 (talk) 19:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

New Map

I'm new to editing on here, but I've created a more detailed map that people might find useful. Could anyone help me upload it to the page properly? Or even if it's appropriate for the page?

Dragonflame67 (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for this. However the map you used is completely different to all the other maps in Visa requirements articles series, it is very complicated featuring all those subnational and disputed entities plus textual notes that exist in the article making it practically unusable as a thumbnail and almost uneditable for anyone else but you. A very similar map that you probably used as a reference on Visa requirements for Romanian citizens caused a major dispute and an edit war and was subsequently removed.--Twofortnights (talk) 21:44, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

It is completely different because I wasn't creating it to replace the map on the page necessarily, but to act as a more detailed resource. The map as it exists right now is overly simplistic, and although it can certainly act as a rough reference, it's not a complete resource. The fact that my map is complicated is a feature of it. It's true that it certainly doesn't work as a thumbnail because it's not designed for that purpose. I didn't think about the fact that it's uneditable, but I can upload an svg instead of a jpg to fix that. I did not know about the map or the problems on the Romanian page. What was the problem with it? Dragonflame67 (talk) 18:56, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

While the additional comments and note clutters the map too much, the categories are spot on. I think it should be standard across all visa related articles. Too many pages use e-visa, travel authorization and visa free interchangeably. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3003:106:200:2162:B70:6880:E7D1 (talk) 15:10, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Somebody please fix Uganda's colors -- this is now an eVisa / prior online application required country

My wife and I recently tried to fly to Uganda from Ethiopia. The information about visa-on-arrival was out-of-date. Visa on arrival without previous application and acceptance is no longer possible for travel to Uganda.

As of late last year (2016), Uganda has implemented an eVisa system similar to Kenya, or other countries that require a prior online application like India or Myanmar. Additionally, the immigration authorities may arbitrarily require numerous additional documents - I am currently struggling trying to get approval for a simple tourist visa despite providing proof of a return ticket, proof of yellow fever vaccine, a bank statement, and a detailed itinerary of our plans in the country. I still do not know if my visa will be issued, although I am supposed to fly the day after tomorrow.

I edited the Uganda section in the table to reflect the new eVisa system, but somebody who knows how to should change Uganda's colors both in the table and on the map of countries (Uganda should be the same color as neighboring Kenya, which has a similar eVisa system). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.55.105.252 (talk) 08:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Allowed stay column

I'm minded to reducing the size of the 'allowed stay' column on the main article and removing clutter from 'notes'. What I'm proposing is:

• removing '..., extendable up to XXX' from the 'allowed stay column' and inserting it into notes
• removing '...within any 180 day period' and inserting it into the notes
• removing departure tax from notes
• removing the cost of visas on arrival
• maybe removing information about biometrics in the notes
• removing information such as 'strict application on rules...'

Let me know what you think. st170e 19:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree with some but "within any 180 day period" is very much related to the allowed stay. Also the "Strict application of immigration rules" for Ireland is already in the notes not in the allowed stay column.--Twofortnights (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

I was thinking that the 'within any 180 day period' could be better elaborated on in the notes section. With regards to 'strict application of immigration rules', I meant removing that entirely from the article. It's too general, not specific and more or less applies to each country, visa-free or not. st170e 21:38, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

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Vandalism by user Twofortnights

User Twofortnights is behaving like he owns the page. For unknown reasons, he doesn't allow the new Iranian ban of US citizens be shown on the page and map.Nochyyy (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

I will ignore the nonsense about vandalism and get straight to the point. Iran does not ban US citizens. Iranian Foreign Minister clearly said that already issued visas remain valid. That means those Americans can visit Iran. That means there is no such thing as "ban of US citizens".--Twofortnights (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

So the situation has not changed a bit since Iran said it no longer issue visas for American citizens? Iranian green cart holders can still come to USA, so change US visa policy there too and put "visa required". I even changed the phrasing that Iran no longer grant visa. It seems to me you don't like other people write facts on this page. What you are doing is called vandalism. A very bad case of vandalism. Nochyyy (talk) 08:23, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The situation has changed. New visas are no longer issued. That is not the same thing as refusal of admission of all Iranian citizens. How difficult is it to understand?--Twofortnights (talk) 10:42, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Where is there any trace of current situation on the map? I got tired of dealing with vandals. If you believe vandalism is giving you any satisfaction, then continue behaving like this, but in the end, it's going to hurt yourself because you are blind to facts. Nochyyy (talk) 12:25, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Twofortnights is editing correctly. You are the one being disruptive on the page. Iranians have banned new visas being issued, the Americans cancelled all visas. But the situation has now changed anyway. st170e 12:34, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Page doesn't demonstrate current situation. This is very simple to understand, but it's impossible to reason with Vandal hordes. Nochyyy (talk) 13:25, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

You should comment on user's edits, not on users. US citizens are not banned from Iran. Iran has banned new visas from being issued to US citizens and have not cancelled valid visas, like the US government has done. Admission is therefore not refused to US citizens who hold a valid visa. The situation was quite different vice-versa, as the US banned ALL Iranian citizens (excluding permanent residents, who require a US green card in addition to their passport to return to the US). st170e 13:59, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

I edited the map and page to show that Iran "no longer issue visas" for American citizens, but still Twofortnights revert it. Nochyyy (talk) 14:08, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

We don't show that kind of information on the map. The black colour is reserved for 'admission refused' - which doesn't apply in this case. st170e 14:16, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

So use another color, people come here to see information, from map it seems you only need apply for visa for coming to Iran, that is not correct. Nochyyy (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The map says a visa is required, which is true. There is no consensus for using a different colour. That information can be found in the table below. st170e 14:38, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Your accusation of vandalism has no basis. This is nonsense. I know Twofortnights few years. Our opinions do not always coincide, sometimes they are opposite, but it is not the reason to accuse of vandalism. Generic designation for all visa maps: black color is the prohibition of entry for all. Iran allows entry to visa holders. The total ban isn't applied. Iran is not black. Iran temporarily do not issue visas - this information is available in the table. All information is correct. Be open to compromise. Thank you. --Norvikk (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Norvikk, st170e, and Twofortnights: The fact of the matter is that people use the Wikipedia visa policy pages to find out if they're allowed into a country at all. So there absolutely does need to be information about whether a country bans citizens who are NOT already visa holders from entering. Typically, current visa holders are only a tiny portion of a country's population. Using "visa required" for countries that ban 99%+ of a country's citizens, in my opinion, doesn't make sense at all. To make it even more obvious: for instance, 99%+ of U.S. citizens can't get into Turkey. IMO, Turkey should be colored black, not red. Coloring it the same as countries where U.S. citizens can usually easily gain admission to is silly. BGManofID (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Brazil

I do not know how to change something on the wiki. with the backgrounds and corresponding highlighting on the map. However, a visa is required for Brazil. You even have the link to the government site which will confirm it for you. During the world cup or olympics, only an eVisa was required, but it's back to requiring a regular visa. Can someone change that?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.228.15.230 (talk) 03:47, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

UK requires a visa for US citizens

According to this website http://www.travelinsurancereview.net/2010/04/15/is-a-visa-needed-for-a-us-citizen-to-travel-to-uk/ Visas are required for all U.S. citizens traveling to the United Kingdom and are usually applied for upon arrival.

That is absolute nonsense and you may check on the following official page https://www.gov.uk/check-uk-visa where it clearly says "You won’t need a visa to come to the UK" when you select the US.--Twofortnights (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Thats UK law. US law requires visa to go to UK

Aaah I see, you are trying to troll us. Great, now please find some other place for your "fun".--Twofortnights (talk) 00:01, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I just went to the UK. Used the e-gates, takes 10 seconds. Not only is a visa not required, US passport holders don't even have to talk to a human being. Yeah trolling. Giordano Bruno (talk) 21:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Iraq Kurdistan

US can obtain visa on arrival from Iraq Kurdistan up to 30 days. Info here: https://us.gov.krd/en/services/visa-information/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:3021:1002:6800:FD0B:288D:5561:371B (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Consistency in table arrangements

"General requirements" is alphabetized by country as a single group. Seems to be inconsistent to follow it with an exceptions table in which different regions are alphabetized separately. 伟思礼 (talk) 05:57, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Types of visas

In most cases (if not all?), this is talking about visas for tourism. Perhaps this should be made clear somehow. Most countries also have many other types of visas with more complicated requirements. Guatemala, for example, makes U.S. citizens visa-exempt for ninety days visits, but we can go to an office in the capitol and easily get a two-year renewable residence permit. 伟思礼 (talk) 06:13, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

India

India is now offering several options for e-tourist visas ranging from 30 days (double entry) to 5 years (multiple entry). Length of stay has been increased to 180 days (except for the 30 days visa obviously). Fees range from $10 to $80.

Other types are available, but they cost more and have shorter validity. The e-business visa would appear to allow staying in the country past 180 days if you register with the authorities.

The new e-tourist visa fees are listed here: https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/images/Etourist_fee_final.pdf and general info here: https://indianvisaonline.gov.in/evisa/tvoa.html

Given it's been years since I did anything with html or edited a page I'll let somebody else make the changes. Giordano Bruno (talk) 22:24, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I know that India has refused entry to US Citizens due to COVID. However, there are many people who hold an OCI card, which is similar to a "green card" in the US. I think it would be useful to add information about entry for OCI card holders, because the situation is changing and might be different. Has anyone heard anything about them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14D:4280:310:3004:C64:AB27:B44 (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2021 (UTC)