Talk:Voiceless velar plosive

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No, they're not always aspirated or unaspirated there. And that doesn't sound like a k. lysdexia 13:51, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The sound is likely intended as a guideline "blended" sound to best represent what has variations in aspiration and VOT (voice onset timing)--there's a question over whether that recording entails voicing in the consonant or not--from language to language, and even within a language. The very reason I'm here is over a first hearing of the Esperanto letters p, t, k . The instructor is either importing his own language's (whatever it is, I don't know) preference for entirely unaspirated stops, or else that's actually the sound that Zamenhof imposed on the constructed language himself. I want to know which, and between that instructor, the Wikipedia article for Esperanto phonetics, and this one for generic "k", I'm none the wiser. JohndanR (talk) 01:38, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

It seems to me that the sound is voiced and sounds like the voiced velar plosive instead.Ijriims (talk) 07:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Can someone explain to me what everyone is talking about here? Grover cleveland (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

It's complicated. The terminology presupposes having studied phonetics for a few weeks until one has somewhat assimilated the bafflegab. JohndanR (talk) 01:17, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Well, it seems that I had some misunderstanding, the /k/ sound we usually hear like in kitty, is actually aspirated /k/. The /k/ in the audio sample is voiceless but unaspirated, though the vowel has been prolonged.For what aspiration means, look it up in Wiki.Ijriims (talk) 16:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Maybe I'm rusty on my phonetics, but I assume that the term "plain k" means aspirated by convention, but not necessarily in practice. That is to say, it has initial and final allomorphs for the English [k]: "kick" [kʰɪk], which we can phonologically represent as /kɪk/ and be done with it. JohndanR (talk) 00:47, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Two possible sounds?

Are there two possible sounds for the consonants Voiceless velar stop [k]?. The sound of the letter C in the English words car and Cup are different from the sound of the letter C and K in the words Camp and Kill. The same thing with the letter G in the words Got and Give.--Adamsa123 (talk) 16:18, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not normally transcribed for English, but proximity to a front vowel does prompt a more advanced pronunciation of /k/ and /g/. One way to represent this is with the palatalization diacritic ([kʲ gʲ]). Another way is the advanced diacritic [k̟ g̟]. It's not as prominent in English as it is in other languages, though. There's probably also a slightly more uvular pronunciation before [ɑ] and labialized pronunciations near rounded vowels. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 16:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Sound sample

Almost every other consonant has linked a sound sample: An OGG file at Wikimedia Commonst. Is there one for voiceless velar stop? Is the recording missing entirely, or there just isn’t a link? --Glutexo (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

There is. In the infobox, it was not properly formatted and there was a typo. I've fixed it. --JorisvS (talk) 17:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite the article in common English!

I think whoever is working on this article has forgotten that this is WIKIPEDIA!!!

main reason for Wikipedia to exist is to exist is to impart knowledge in simplified language for people to understand.

This article in its current form is very poorly written. totally nonsense jargon garbage. it should readily explain the basic definition of "Voiceless velar plosive"

why it is called as such and the basic history.

this place is not your excuse to exercise your personal linguistic muscles.

FIX it now or get reported ASAP.

thank you. 119.152.236.216 (talk) 06:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

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