Talk:Volkswagen Beetle/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

To whom was the compensation paid?

According to the text VW paid a compensation of DM 3M to Tatra due to unauthorised use of their patents. The inventions were developed by Ringhoffer-Tatra a.s.. The (main) owner of the company was Hans von Ringhoffer. The native Germans were expelled from Czechoslovakia in 1946 and their property was nationalised. Ringhoffer family was regarded as Germans, so the Tatra plants were seized. Hans von Ringhoffer died in an NKVD camp.

As far as I know, the nationalising of the Tatra factory was not regarded as a legal action in West Germany. I suppose the compensation of DM 3M was paid to Ringhoffer family. Moreover, it is also possible that seizing of the German property did not consist on immaterial rights.--Gwafton (talk) 17:38, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

According to this book, it was the heirs of the Ringhoffer family who received the out-of-court settlement. Letdorf (talk) 12:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC).

Thanks for your help. Funny that they speak about Ringhoffer-Tatra there - did the company exist with the same name in the west side of the iron curtain, after loosing its main factories in Czechoslovakia? Maybe it did and operated Austro-Tatra at the same time. Anyway, I marked Ringhoffer-Tatra on the text, as the source claims. --Gwafton (talk) 19:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I corrected the grammar in the title. 173.210.125.42 (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Tatra

Some editors seem to be keen to emphasize the influence of Tatra on the Volkswagen Type 1. It's probably worth pointing out that Porsche's first air-cooled flat-four rear-engined car, the Type 32 for NSU, was designed in 1933. This was preceded by the Type 12, also beetle-shaped and rear-engined but with a water-cooled radial engine (insisted on by his client Zundapp) in 1931. The first and second prototypes of the experimental Tatra V570 (which preceded the much bigger T77 and T97 models) were also built in 1931 and 1933 respectively. IMHO, it is somewhat disingenuous to refer to Porsche's work following the "earlier" Tatra designs. Letdorf (talk) 00:18, 27 January 2011 (UTC).

Merger proposal

• Oppose: The Beetle and New Beetle are two completely different models and the Volkswagen Beetle article is plenty big enough, without merging in another article which is likely to get significantly larger with the launch of the second-generation New Beetle. Letdorf (talk) 23:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC).
• Strong oppose. The two could not be more different. The New Beetle's a waterboxer! If you want to merge it somewhere, merge it to Passat or something; at least they share a platform. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 09:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
• Strong oppose two completely different cars Mztourist (talk) 09:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose two very different cars, two long and well written articles that would be one huge piece of material to edit should they be merged. For practical let alone vehicle reasons, keep separate. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 08:12, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose In fact, we now have a "new" new Beetle which might be entitled to its own article.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose only vaguely related vehicles.Billlion (talk) 11:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Merging this article is a bad idea and it will cause immense amount of lagging when editing this page. It would also be too long and difficult to read if merging this. JMBZ-12 (talk) 16:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Escape from New York?

How, exactly, did the introduction to the U.S. market get left out...? And when was it? TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 09:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

On the banks of the Beetle

This: "[cylinders] arranged in two banks on either side of a single crankshaft..." should be: in a bank on either side...[The former suggested to me VW's W-12 engine, a scary thought. I'm pretty sure that currently shelved.] 173.210.125.42 (talk) 15:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Type 1 / Super production overlap?

Was the Type 1 production continued throughout production of the Super Beetle? Why was the Super design with its larger storage space and more modern (and obviously lower drag) curved windshield abandoned and the old Type 1 style returned to production? (Assuming VW ever stopped their own production of it.) Bizzybody (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

And when did this happen? Because I always understood the Super (so-called) used the same dies as the original Type 1, just changed the suspension (to IFS IIRC) & got the 1600. IIRC, the big window replacing the oval was earlier, so not Super either. Could be the 1600 predates the Super, too. TREKphiler ^{any time you're ready, Uhura} 22:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Recent moves

I think that the move of this page from its long-standing Volkswagen Beetle title to Volkswagen Type 1 is in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. A related series of moves also made Volkswagen Beetle the title of the 2012 model without any consultation. I request that these moves be reversed. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Volkswagen Type 1 → Volkswagen Beetle – Per long-standing name and WP:COMMONNAME. It is also a high-traffic and popular article. The newly-changed name will upset the readers coming here to read about the historical "Beetle" car. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 00:31, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Support - should not have been moved, and imho RM to restore not required. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:26, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I agree completely with you. The problem is Volkswagen Beetle now redirects to the 2012 model and is blocked. It cannot be moved without admin assistance. I also reported this at WP:ANI hoping for a faster response. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 01:30, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I can do magic

While I admit it's poorly written & would need a cite, I imagine the change from green to red-gold refers to a change in regs & numbers of taxis being repainted. Mexico City taxis have been green & white by law, so it appears the law's changed. Rupert Angier ^{where's the key to these damned chains?} 20:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

"Power," what power?

There's no mention of horsepower in this section. I hope some editors can fix this. In the "1967 Beetle" box hp is mentioned, 54. 70.91.8.105 (talk) 17:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Manufacturing /Assembly sites is missing Heinola, Finland.

Finnish Volkswagen importer, VW-Auto, had chat with the factory about assembling Beetles in Finland in late 60s and they did assemble a small trial series in Plan-Sell works in Heinola during 1968-70 (48 cars)[1]. Only to notice that assembling Beetles was too expensive even when some of the import tax was avoided. Many of these cars are still left and restored.

Even the Finnish wiki-page is not counting this as manufacturing so just something which is nice to know on discussions. :)

[1] http://volkswagen.fi/VV-Auto/VW_kampanja.nsf/HTML/kupla-suomessa (Beetle in Finland)

80.248.253.138 (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2012 (UTC) Tuomas