Talk:Volvo Cars

Assembly plants

I know for a fact that there is a VCC operated assembly plant in Luqiao, China. I believe it opened during 2016, but I am not sure. Also something should be mentioned about the new plant being built in South Carolina, Volvo's first ever on American soil: http://www.volvocars.com/us/about/our-company/south-carolina-factory — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.24.213.186 (talk) 23:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

This reply may be too late, but I created the List of Volvo Car production plants page a few days back. Coincidentally, I stumbled upon your Talk page entry today... I thought I'd leave this note here if anyone is/was interested in a full list of Volvo-owned or Volvo-joint venture plants. There are also multiple contract assembly plants (not Volvo owned) which are missing from the table... I will try to include them as well in the near future. Cheers, Aero777 (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Sales figures

This new section, in its current form, seems problematic. It has many sources that all fail to explain where they get their numbers from, most sources are repeated dozens of times and most of the content is a direct copy from the given sources. Can someone with more experience take a look and determine the best way forward? 2A04:4540:1712:1501:A1D7:E56C:7D76:3AC4 (talk) 18:20, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

There was a question at theWikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard in July 2017, but it was never answered. The website does look like it's self-published, and there is no way to know what kind of editorial control and fact-checking they use. I also think that the section may be overly detailed, and almost WP:FANCRUFT or WP:NOTSTATS. I've asked for comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles where there probably are some editors that have discussed the source and similar lists before. Sjö (talk) 06:38, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

The annual sales figures by country were eventually sourced, and proved to be a copy-paste WP:COPYVIO and has now been removed twice. Just because the info is attributed, doesn't mean we can plagiarize it. Pease do not re-add it without an OTRS ticket from the copyright holder. Toddst1 (talk) 17:17, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Note that 99.230.105.217 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has now been blocked for continuing to add this material. Toddst1 (talk) 16:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Facts cannot be copyrighted - Sales figures are just numbers & facts. As far as I know, only the expression of facts can be copyrights, but the article is just quoting facts listed on some external sites. Raysonho (talk) 13:25, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

As per your own text the expression or in a broader sense the way information is presented can be copyrighted. Which makes the copy+paste nature of the whole section a potential problem. Or is that okay? I would also disagree that the article is just quoting facts, given that the website in question is a self described blog and does not give proper credit to its sources. As such at the moment there are no facts quoted, only numbers. The same content had been removed once before in January so I fail to see what has changed. 2A04:4540:902:D00:31B8:C628:CC65:31F4 (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I sort of agree. We can make the section present the data in a different way. Raysonho (talk) 00:06, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Delete final para. in History section?

It’s written as if it’s something innovative, but I’m sure that other car manfrs have offered similar deals for years. Care to agree? If so, please cut it. Thanks. Boscaswell talk 21:22, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

"Chinese owned Swedish"

We seem to have an editor who is very fascinated at the fact that Volvo is owned by the Chinese and insists on having "...Chinese-owned Swedish luxury.." in the opening sentence. Whilst it is no secret that Volvo is Chinese owned, is it really required in the opening sentence? Jaguar Land Rover is owned by Tata which is Indian, but that article has no mention of "...Indian owned British...". I personally do not feel it is required considering the article mentions the fact that currently it is owned by Geely which is a Chinese company later in the article. What are everyone else's thoughts? Goodreg3 (talk) 20:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Agree, this article should be treated no differently than other articles about car manufacturers. Besides it already has "and is a subsidiary of Chinese automotive company Geely" in the lede. Sjö (talk) 21:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I come to this article two year later. I disagree. It is a Chinese-Swedish car company. That is the honest description. I don't object to a Swedish-Chinese description. Vowvo (talk) 20:53, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

It isn't about agreeing or disagreeing, it's not "Chinese-Swedish", period. The company is registered under Swedish law and it's headquartered in Sweden, that's the truth. The fact it's controlled by a Chinese parent doesn't change that. The situation may change in the future (there are plans to merge Geely and Volvo Cars into a sole company) but, as it stands, Volvo Personvagnar AB is a Swedish company. --Urbanoc (talk) 21:18, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Volvo Personvagnar AB may be headquartered in Swedish but this article is not Volvo Personvagnar AB. BMW North America is an American company but why don't we say BMW is an American company.

There is a way to compromise. It is to write as to not deceive anyone. This is the current version:

Volvo Cars (Swedish: Volvo personvagnar), stylized as VOLVO, is a Swedish luxury automobile marque. It is headquartered in Torslanda in Gothenburg, Sweden.

I proposed to keep the exact same wording of the article but to move a sentence later in the lede (and make a slight modification) into the first paragraph. The proposed version would be:

Volvo Cars (Swedish: Volvo personvagnar), stylized as VOLVO, is a Swedish luxury automobile marque. It is headquartered in Torslanda in Gothenburg, Sweden. Volvo is a subsidiary of the Chinese automotive company Geely. Vowvo (talk) 18:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Ehmm.. Yes, this article is about Volvo Personvagnar AB, "Volvo Car Corporation" is just the anglicised version of the company's name. I don't know what you mean by your comparison with BMW North America: BMW North America, as you say, is an American company even if the marque it sells and its parent company are both German. All three things are true. A multinational can own subsidiaries and/or trade marks registered under different law, that's not something inusual. It's the same for Geely in this case, it's a Chinese company with a Swedish subsidiary that sells its own marque, simple as that. As for your proposed new wording, I neither oppose it nor support it, so, if you gain more consensus, I don't mind it being changed. I don't even mind if you're WP:BOLD and add it. But, if you're reverted by someone, you need to come back here :). Regards. --Urbanoc (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I do not understand the obsession with China. There was no push to describe Volvo as an American company while it was owned by Ford, and as far as I can see in other articles about car manufacturers the nationality of the parent company doesn't matter; why should it matter here? Sjö (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

And there has been no attempt to add "American" before "Ford Motor Company" so apparently it is only the fact that Volvo Cars is owned by a Chinese company that upsets some. I think that this is WP:UNDUE, especially for the lede, unless there is some kind of general agreement across Wikipedia that all articles about car brands should include the owner's nationality. Sjö (talk) 06:17, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The fact that the same thing also occurs on Volvo, which is not even majority owned by Geely, suggests there are efforts in exaggerating "China's" involvement. It seems the page needs to be protected again. TylerBurden (talk) 09:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

There needs to be transparency about Chinese ownership of the company and as it's written now it tries to minimize this. If people have a problem that the page about Ford does not say in the opening paragraph that's American owned, then they need to change that page, not try to obfuscate the fact that Volvo is in fact Chinese owned. 155.69.167.66 (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Geely ownership is already in the lead, what you did was add duplicated content. Did you even read the article before changing it? TylerBurden (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

"Good-News"?! (Italian Web)

• Volvo electric Supercar (www.motor1.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.85.148 (talk) 23:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2023

Change:

The company's main marketing arguments are safety and its Swedish heritage and design.

To:

The company's main marketing arguments are safety, it's Swedish heritage and design. 24.232.57.8 (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: That would be less readable and grammatically incorrect. Actualcpscm (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)