Talk:Vow of silence

There ought to be an article on this

The above note that there is a Wiktionary article on this doesn't mean we shouldn't have an article on vows of silence: their history, notable ones, their existence in modern times. Tempshill (talk) 22:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

I tend to agree. It may be that earlier articles were basically extended dictionary definitions, but a cross-referenced article on vows of silence would be valuable.Bjones (talk) 20:57, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I very seriously agree. A dictionary definition is definitely not adequate to cover a topic of this depth and breadth. I've reverted the article to the last version with any content, but it is in need of a rewrite and expansion.--69.125.222.49 (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

• A common monastic practice in all major religions! --Ekabhishek^talk 12:01, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Can we add a section for vows as a form of non-violent protest, for example that Anna Hazare has undertaken against Lavasa [1]? Nshuks7 (talk) 23:02, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Christian-centric view

The "threefold standpoint" is focused almost entirely on Christian/Catholic perspectives on vows of silence. I suggest this be changed to reflect vows present in other religions (which are quite common). Enigmocracy (talk) 00:43, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

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Vows of silence are a brief ceremony which take place prior to practice of monastic silence and thus any merger should be under the rubric of an article title with a broader compass than mere vows. For suggestions and further discussion therefore, please discuss this proposal at this link, ie., on the Wikipedia: Proposed annexation target. That page also includes a self criticism of this statement. Thank you in advance for observing good wiki etiquette at all time. Bard गीता 18:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I Agree:

To say that a vow of silence is Catholic or Christian is like saying that wikipedia isn't a biased website. It seems true, but it's not. No Catholics actually do this(There might be one or two), and very few Christians.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to not merge' Catfish Jim (ex-soapdish) 19:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

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Monastic silence merge proposal: Link-back

In a nutshell

In a nutshell: Please discuss possible future merger at --> Talk:Monastic_silence

Thesis

Requests for assistance and feedback which is a subsection of Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers authorizes discussion of mergers at the page which is proposed to be merged into another page. That is fortunate, because the standard template which directs discussion to the Proposed Merge Recipient Article Wikipedia: Proposed annexor introduces a bias in favor of merges. Bless the wise folks who wrote Wikipedia:Proposed_mergers, because they established precedent for an option to conduct such discussions on the Wikipedia: Proposed annexation target. Please note the below language which uses plural rather than singular:

In general, this section should be used to solicit outside feedback regarding mergers that are either tricky or of a controversial nature. Brief replies may be posted here, but lengthy discussions should be confined :to the talk pages of the articles involved. You must tag the articles, as described above, as well. After articles are merged (or a consensus that the articles should not be merged is reached), please remove them from :the list below.

Vows of silence are a brief ceremony which take place prior to practice of monastic silence and thus any merger should be under the rubric of an article title with a broader compass than mere vows. For suggestions and further discussion therefore, please discuss this proposal at Talk:Monastic_silence this link, ie., on the Wikipedia: Proposed annexation target. That page also includes a self criticism of this statement. Thank you in advance for observing good wiki etiquette at all time. Bard गीता 18:02, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

The handwriting on the wall seems pretty obvious that there will be either a total rewrite with no merger, or, a merge of this one into some other more general page. To protect the people who made honest contributions to this page, it seems fair that the edit history be merged in even if there is a rewrite, as a courtesy. But there is not enough research and writing on this page to seriously discuss having this page be the host, nor is it topically superogatory. It should not be too difficult to work this matter out without any contentiousness, IMHO. Bard गीता 06:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discussion of THIS PAGE itself.

Rambling, uncited personal POV. I feel bad saying it, but the work here just does not meet the bar of what is developed in other pages. As I research [Monastic silence] under stress, everything I find in citations indicate that this article is just popular notions with no basis in any research or understanding of the material. Sorry, but that is the fact of the matter. There is no there there, regarding this article. Out of respect however for the good will and benevolent intentions of the earlier contributors, I would want to keep the edit history alive, whatever happens. Bard गीता 06:26, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm reviving this discussion because there is unsourced information on this page that is directly contradicted with cited information on other pages. In particular, the claim that the Cistercian Orders (such as the Trappists) have a strict vow of silence with no exemptions even though both of those pages state that it's merely a practice rather than an actual vow, and only applies to topics not directly related to their study and prayer. --192.107.155.5 (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

No major groups(or any groups at all really do this)

Why is there an article for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louis Sarwal (talk • contribs) 18:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

First sentence

A vow of silence is a vow to maintain silence is somewhat tautological, and could be clearer if these vows are always about speech, rather than other types of noise. What was your objection to the ...avoid the use of speech wording, User:Medusahead? Belbury (talk) 08:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't of the tautological effects, you are right, it is tautological. I thought of the Great Silence, which is explicitely mentioned in the lede (and I thought about the monastical silence in general, where it is also highly desirable to avoid unnecessary noise) as well to try to be internally "silent".

While editing the article, however, I increasingly wondered why there is an article "Vow of silence" when it is explicitly emphasised several times that it is a misunderstanding and that there is no corresponding "vow of silence" (which is true). Places and times of monastic silence are regulated by the rule and or the constitutions of an order.--Medusahead (talk) 08:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)